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For a second I got really excited, but I don't like the high blade ridge, + the photos are crappy. So is it a 3k s-ucker but it now? IMO this could be a Spanish Repo. (the kicker sold as is)

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Eric "Von" Rader, do you really think it is possible to make any serious statement due to such pics? Those NPEAdaggers are sometimes difficult even when hold in hands but making a statement due to those pics seems really impossible to me. I wonder what Mr.NPEA - Ron Weinand would say due to such pics.
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I don't think I made any serious statment.


Just raised it from 3k to $4500, seller changed his mind.

IMO due to the high ride blade. More photos will be needed to make any factual judgement. However spend $4500 and take a chance of getting a deal or getting ripped off. Confused

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A judgement call cannot be made as to real or repro from pics that poor!

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Eric,

It would be hard for me to say much about that dagger from the pictures. Why not write and get some for for us.

Dave

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Eric "Von" Rader, sorry for the misunderstanding. No, you did not make a serious statement but I thought you would ask for them.
As said, those NPEAs are hard to examine and I think impossible from these pics.
BTW original NPEAs sometimes seem to have a sharper central ridge than "normaly" on party daggers.
Interesting change of the opinion of the seller.
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Dave , I have already request better photos, I did stop the ladies husband from polishing the blade.


Will post photos when I get some.

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Eric,

Did you get pics on it or the seller's Eban id? They pulled the auction already.


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Nope not yet, I do have the contact info.

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Latest statement, No inspection period...... scares me!

Hello again,

Ebay had removed the dagger because even though the images were cropped or covered the insignia, they knew it still carried the banned marking.

So my husband and I decided to switch to a private sale instead of trying to bypass Ebays rules. We've had several people email about the dagger, so this is how we're moving forward.

We won't be doing an inspection period or return policy on the dagger due to the risk outside of Ebay's protection. The payment would be through PayPal only. Shipping and insurance would be included in the sale price.

We can send as many pictures as you would like. We're only considering offers from those who responded through the Ebay messages during the short time the item was listed.

So feel free to request more photos or make an offer on the dagger. The process would be like a silent auction.

Thanks for your time and interest,

Mandy & Al

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Eric, email sent. -wagner-

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I was sent some photos. The distribution mark for Bürgsmuller has a dash and other inconsistencies that do not match those found on other certified examples seen on Wittman's site, the military collectibles site, and ones that Paul Hogle has sold. The "G" in the maker's mark also appears slightly different from known examples.

I am no NPEA expert, but that would worry me.

The crossguards look original, but these are plentiful. I purchased a NPEA in Germany once that turned out to be a repro with some original parts.

Paul Hogle once told me these daggers were a "minefield." He was right.


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here are the photos

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Confused

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more

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start tap dancing on that landmine!

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this is fun

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more original parts

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more more

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Why is s ucker a bad word on GD.com?

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things that make you say hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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??????

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looks nice

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Are there any Bengals fans out there??? Love the pea green paint, Looks the color of most cars in the 1970s

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For some reason this dagger give be heartburn.... Maybe its the no refunds??? Razz

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almost done..... really... I am....

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To be honest, these daggers are REALLY ugly. However I would still like to have one.

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Eric,

These daggers are a minefield under the best of circumstances, the fact the sellers do not want to honor an inspection period would worry me even with an item I can vet as authentic from the pics. There's always things one can glean from in hand inspections that aren't apparent from photos.

The fact the sellers want to do business through Paypal is better than some other methods as there may be recourse in the event the dagger turns out to be less than it purports to be. One thing to mention though is Paypal's "policy" regarding deals that go bad, some transactions qualify for their "protection" and some do not. Remember too that Paypal is owned by Eban and they like very much to have nothing to do with 3R items. Just points to think about.


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I agree w/ your statment Billy. Since I am not an expert with NPEA daggers I would rather spend more $$$$ and get one from a reputiable dealer. Sad to say but this hobby (like any) there are many landmine feilds to nagavigate thru.

Before I buy one of these I would require an inspection period. I have been doing some hands on inspecting at the SOS/Max show to get a "feel" for what good/Bad.

Its a lot of cash to loose. Eek

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I can't understand with any auction what the big deal is with no refund. This will sell for a good amount of money and if it is returned I'll bet those who buy and return will send back a different dagger or swap parts! This is why we NEVER sell any expensive watches thru auction due to customer DISHONESTY! Lately an Ebay vendor asked us to broker a Paul Newman Rolex chrono from the early 70's for him. I told him up front, you'll be lucky to get paid or find a serious player on Ebay anymore!

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Even with these additional pics, which are not too good, it is impossible to make a serious statement about this dagger. E.g. when you look at the wooden handle in pic "more" it looks as there would be some restoration at the lower end and a spurious cut at the end where the badge is sitting on SAdaggers. When you look at pic "looks nice" for me the wooden grip now looks a totally different way. E.g. the scabbard paint look an ugly green nothing to compare with the original olive but it could be the light and the photographing. The mentioned different looking "G" in BURGSMÜLLER could come from normal use taking the dagger out of the scabbard but also could be an etching defect or a faked template. In the pic "more more" it looks like a brass chain nickled what I would not know from original NPEAdaggers but it also could be patination and light od the photograph. So generally these pics are still much too bad to classify such a "difficult" dagger and an in hand inspection would be still requred. Although I have seen NPEAdaggers with other than DRGM marked clips I personally would prefer these marked ones.
Just my thoughts.


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