#14471
02/04/2010 03:26 PM
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Could I have some opinions on this armband? Got this from a grandson of the vet who brought this stuff so he says! Also got a gau pl armband, a afrika korps cufftitle and a volkssturm armband. The rest are good so I just need opinions on this. SSman
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#14472
02/04/2010 03:26 PM
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#14473
02/04/2010 03:27 PM
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#14474
02/04/2010 03:27 PM
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#14475
02/04/2010 03:28 PM
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#14476
02/04/2010 04:30 PM
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this one looks fishy to me;;
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#14477
02/04/2010 04:37 PM
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Bob. Just funny that this guy would have all original stuff from his gramps and then a fake armband! SSman
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#14478
02/04/2010 04:59 PM
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to be honest,,i dont like this armband either,,,can you post pics of the other items too?
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#14479
02/04/2010 05:11 PM
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That Waffen SS armband looks like the same one that Delta International sold in the early 70's.
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#14480
02/04/2010 05:41 PM
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I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS FORM OF CIVILIAN ARMBAND FOR THE WAFFEN SS BEFORE. I HAVE LEARNED THAT IS NOT A SURE FIRE WAY OF JUDGING ORIGINALITY. THE EIGENTUM STAMP REFLECTS AN UNKNOWN SS GEBERGSJAEGER REGIMENT WHICH I THINK SEALS THE DEAL ON THIS PIECE. POSSIBLY A PIECE GIVEN TO THE VET OR PICKED UP OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE SEEN BETTER PICTURES OF THE GAULEITUNG ARMBAND AND IT APPEARS TO BE A PERIOD EXAMPLE. BOB
"A man needs to know his limitations" Dirty Harry Gold Badge #263
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#14481
02/04/2010 05:59 PM
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Can you show us some close up as well as inside pics of the political leader armband?
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#14482
02/04/2010 06:02 PM
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Doug. This should be in the political section but since you asked for more pics of the pl armband here are some. Only one pic of the inside showing how the white circle is attached. SSman
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#14483
02/04/2010 06:03 PM
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#14484
02/04/2010 06:04 PM
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#14485
02/04/2010 06:05 PM
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#14486
02/04/2010 06:06 PM
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#14487
02/04/2010 11:42 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Bob Coleman: THE EIGENTUM STAMP REFLECTS AN UNKNOWN SS GEBERGSJAEGER REGIMENT WHICH I THINK SEALS THE DEAL ON THIS PIECE. BOB
Bob, SS-Gebirgsjager Regiment 11 was given the honorific "Reinhard Heydrich" by Hitler on 4 June 1942. It was part of the Waffen-SS Division "Nord" and was authorised an armband on 15 June, 1942. The piece may be a reproduction- I don't know, but the unit did exist.
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#14488
02/05/2010 12:40 AM
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Thanks for the post Dwight. Maybe this is not a fantasy armband after all? SSman
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#14489
02/05/2010 01:51 AM
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this stamp looks like one you could get from delta international back in the late 60's & 70's..it is what it is
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#14490
02/05/2010 03:56 AM
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I don't like that ss armband at all, with the weak uneven printing.
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#14491
02/05/2010 11:17 PM
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I have issues with the political armband.
For a Reich's level piece, the quality and workmanship is very suspect..
In particular,the size and application of the gold piping and the stitching of the bottom portion of the white roundel (espc.in the closeup pic)
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#14492
02/06/2010 01:05 AM
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Doug. Four dealers and one member on here says it looks good and 2 don't so I go with the majority. Aslo 2 dealers said not to be so quick to judge the ss armband because they have seen them before. SSman
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#14493
02/06/2010 02:55 AM
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You know what guys. I am just going to send all the items back to the guy that sold them to me. These were given to him by his grandmother and she told him that all these were stuff his grnadfather brought back when the war ended! Hard to believe they made fakes before 1945! Funny that the afrika korps cufftitle and the volkssturm armband he brought back were good but the PL and ss armband were bad! SSman
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#14494
02/06/2010 06:31 AM
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Sorry for the mispeak on the stamp. I was going off of memory and thought the regiment number to be incorrect. The Vice Gauleiter armband is not Reich but Gau level indicated by the Burgandy edge piping. I have never seen a fake of the type4 armband that had embroidery that perfectly matched the oakleaf ribbon. I believe the close up shots over emphasize the details of the swastika and the gold trim.
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#14495
02/06/2010 07:36 AM
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,,send it to me. cheers
In Memory of Joe Mann Medal of Honor Recipient July 8, 1922 � September 19, 1944
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#14496
02/06/2010 07:37 AM
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theres always the arguement they could be late war, thus loss of quality, though hard to beleive as the reich never lost the quality of manafacture in my opinion. i dont like them and certainly not the first one with the stamp. the open weave on the second dosnt look very profesional, almost sloppy, im in the opinion they may of been thrown in the collection by the vet who may of had them given him post war, who knows? im with the majority, not right, sorry.
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#14497
02/06/2010 03:48 PM
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No argument here Phil. That is why they are going back!
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#14498
02/08/2010 07:41 AM
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Yeah..I don't know Rod..lots of strange items come from vets..some good, some not so good.sometimes its just seeing good ones over and over again that gives you a 'feel' for the items.
I have just never seen a really sloppy political leaders armband.They usually maintain a high level of quality, right up to end (though when the 'end' was, I can't say!)
The trouble with this stuff today is that it is too expensive to have any doubts with...
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#14499
02/08/2010 02:39 PM
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I totally agree with you Doug. When you have the PL armband in hand there is absolutely nothing sloppy on the workmanship! Some of the gold bullion is worn from age and has turned a kind of a silvery color. No matter what the outcome these are heading back to where they came from! SSman
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#14500
02/08/2010 06:19 PM
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where are the pictures of the "good stuff"..
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#14501
02/08/2010 09:36 PM
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I don't know Robert? Why don't you post some!
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#14502
02/08/2010 09:36 PM
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#14503
02/08/2010 09:39 PM
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#14504
02/08/2010 11:28 PM
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looks like yours is missing some material,,here's mine,,
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#14505
02/08/2010 11:29 PM
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#14506
02/09/2010 12:33 AM
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No opinion on armbands, but opinion on Vet bringback etc. I have seen more crap in old vet bringback collections than any other group as a whole. They will swear on a stack of bibles the crap is direct bringback, but we know it is recent made, by when it showed on market. I have sold fake/fantasy/repro junk to old ww2 vets , they take it and show it off , along with their b.s. story, and then try to resell at the next show when shown the stuff is fake, and that is where the bringback stories start
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#14507
02/09/2010 01:59 AM
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Robert. Yours appears to have never been sewn on? Mine has been sewn on and you can see the small hems on the back and that is why it looks narrower than yours. Mark. I know what you mean about fake vet bring backs! SSman
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#14508
02/09/2010 04:10 AM
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The big give away on these bands is the shape of the 'holes' in the letters R and P in Korps.
I don't have one handy, but take a good closeup of the two letters and you will see what I mean.
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#14509
02/09/2010 06:18 AM
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Doug. Are you saying that mine is not good? I listed this on another forum and got the thumbs up on it! It is on its way to big time dealer. He said it looked good but wanted a hands on inspection. SSman
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