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just a weird title for a sunday.Does anyone feel bad when you see a nice dagger thats been together for 70 years meet its death on ebay and is sold off in parts .These blades have so much time and sweat put in them to make everything fit and some idiot takes them apart so they can sell them on ebay.Just really ticks me off yes i know alot of the parts are post war but alas most are not.and some times you see a super rare one just slaughtered with vise grips or pliers.just my rant for an sunday.good day

oh yeah i put this here because sa it breaks my heart seem to be the biggest ones getting killed

Yes I know where you are coming from but usually a collection of parts on Ebay are there because somebody has a 'parts' dagger and know its not worth a lot as it is. Their idea is then to sell the original parts seperately to try and get money back for it. Lets face it an original SA dagger for example is worth more in its original state than the parts it is made up of.
Best wishes,
Ian

www.simplydaggers.co.uk

i know its sad and wrong but they are often worth more in parts then the whole
take this wkc navy dagger i bought today its not a keeper due to the condition of the blade ,unless someone has a wkc blade for sale???, but with its ivory grip and hammered scabbard quite valuable as parts

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yes if that is how you feel and there is nothing wrong with it .But just think of the history that navy has been through .I don't know maybe i am looking at this all wrong .if it pure junk or a parts dagger yeah go ahead but .I guess i need to just go look at my daggers and see if that will change my mind .

I know its too good to part out i will just have to find a decent wkc blade

You mean that you won't part out yours but are waiting for someone to part out theirs ?

Dave

i know sad isnt it
but if this damage had happened in 1940 would the officer have had wkc fit another blade? i think he would

I THINK HE WOULD HAVE GOT IT DONE UNDER WARRENTY IF IT HAD GONE THAT RUSTY DURING THE WAR YEARS .HE MUST HAVE BEEN A DIVER.LOL
DIPPY

Do i buy parts sure do i sell parts sure but these I hope are all that is left of a long story.The navy blade is a real gem and i don't think iwould mess with it and the reason is it is how i got it and if i didnt like it i would not have bought it.just a diffrent turn if i had bought that blade which if price was right i would have.But just think if we keep building daggers from parts what will the next 70 years bring granted i wont be alive to see it.oh well enough of a rant.

i agree its a gem but the blade is just to far gone .if i use a wkc blade of the same vintage i personally would not class as a parts dagger. yes i know technicaly it is but i have a *** sword collecors mind set were all parts are changeable

A blade by wkc should be pretty easy to find you going to go plain or try for an etch i cant tell from pic was the old one etched .or you could just mail it to me and be done with it.I am curious how hard you think it will be to get a tight fit on it though.

its etched
i have just swaped blades with 3 other wkc km daggers and the fit is perfect

$$$$$$$$$$$ bottom line. To believe "collectors" don't part 'em out would be foolish 'cause they do...$$$$$$$$$$

Guys:

I have a naive question for you.

If I took a beautiful dagger with a ratty blade and replaced the blade with the same maker of the same age, why would this be wrong and how would one know, unless there was all kind of refitting needed?

I totally get it about mixing manufacturers and mixing ages (early blade with later fittings) to create a parts dagger at best and a Frankenstein at worst.

But, if I took a mid period Eickhorn dagger and replaced the blade with a nice 35-41 mark, what is the deal?

I ask this, but want you to know that I rarely take daggers down, unless they come very easily. Even to take their pictures or to look at the insides.

John

hello john
i am with you i bought an eickhorn ss ground rohm with an ex+ blade and fittings but only half a handle so i bought another ground rohm eickhorn with a good handle but a retiped blade and swaped the handles with no problems with the fit but then they could have been sitting next to each other on the factory assembly table ??
i did then repair the broken handle and sell the dagger but my repair was quite obvious and the buyer knew it had been done

My whole point of the rant was the dagger it self.Kinda hard to explain I buy and sell and collect only daggers.For me and it is proubly only me i would rather have say your navy as is than one that has been refit with a blade even if it is done so good and cant be seen.Now you may ask why that is and the only thing that I can think of is i really like them as they are and if you think of the history and time and work done to get to this point in history only to be taken apart wheather to be sold or used to make a better dagger well it just not for me.Do I condem those that do nope it is your dagger you can run it over if you like .I know it sounds kinda mushy and what not but they really are very nice in whatever form they come in mint or relic there are all good.My project right now is an trans eickorn it is as bad as it can get i plan on redoing it but only to see if i can match the master of germany .I will do the browing of the scabbard the hand polish of the fitting the work of the blade but once again only to see if i can do it.By the way it is a parts dagger i would not do it on anything else But thats just me

Here is a guy specifically separating an SA dagger and scabbard simply because he can't sell the dagger on ebay, so hes selling the scabbard.
To each their own, but it sounds like a bonehead move to me, something I would never do unless my kids literally needed some food.

"I hate breaking up the whole set but I can't sell the knife on ebay."

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A topic of discussion that could run for many pages. I think we have been here before on quite a few occasions.
Where possible I leave my daggers as I find them and avoid swapping parts unless I really have something that 1.Benefit from a replacement IE missing eagle/screw/knot.
2. Needs something to make it whole again IE complete blade/grip/scabbard.

There are degrees though and I do try and avoid bastardising two daggers to make one good one. I remember a while back buying four army daggers from one source. With help from a fellow collector we managed to get all four as they should have been. It transpired that the dealer had taken them apart for some odd reason (ARGHHHHH) and mixed up the bits.

I just posted some pictures of an SA that I found. Looking at the scabbard I would love to swap it for one with fittings to match the grip but I will not. It has been as is for many years and will remain so.
I would argue that most swap outs are designed to increase value and appeal. Items that have been around this long and through as many hands will always change in some manner. Whether that change results in degradation or stagnation we never know. All we can do as collectors is set our own standards and abide by them. What goes on behind closed doors???? ....goes on!!!

Ah so some do feel as i do .As i look on ebay now there is someone that parted out an f dick if i add it right total he will get 287.00 for the parts not a very good move on his part and he pried the eagle and button out of the handle to sell it.un real. I look through my daggers and see some that are parts dagger and some that relic and some that are mint and i see the same thing in every one a nation that pulled it self from a poor country after the first war to a world power only to topple again that my freinds is history and these daggers that we play with were a part of that.Rnning for presdent next time so vote for me lol

amazingly i bought a wkc navy today at a small antique fair mint blade worn fittings swap was effortless and am very happy with the result i will not sell the ivory griped km but will sell the other but its probably worth more as parts
oh dear here we go again!
i will post photos tuesday on the proper forum

lol well good find i was going to tell you a wkc on ebay of all places

Well I know for a FACT that parts can be sold off to make more money. I have bought daggers that were parts but sold as original. I have been burnt by many e-bay buys and the sellers pay blind and dumb so I get stuck with the parts dagger. So I parted them out and I have always got my funds back or even made a few bones.

A side note Even the vets mixed and matched scabbards.

I for one am not claiming parting out a dagger is pure shame, there is a time and place for everything.
Like cars, sometimes they get so far gone that parts are all they are good for.
Separating a dagger and scabbard or prying out the eagle grip insert simply to sell it on ebay is simply not something any serious collector would consider doing, in my opinion, unless absolutely desperate for cash.
Caretakers of historic items, which we are, should not take their charges lightly, and/or looks at things strictly in terms of finances.

The thread has got interesting there seems to be two mind sets one money and one for the love of the hobby .Now if you can take that info and apply it to how we buy daggers you should be able to form an idea of my orignal mind set for this thread.When we buy from ebay and we all do we are feeding to the destruction of our own hobby.because people will see these sell in parts and contiue to destroy history for the sake of the dollar.Not a love for the hobby.Is there a fix for the promblem no I can see no good thing coming out of this except in 20 years ill be dead and it wont matter if a ss rohm is mated to an hj handle with duct tape cause nothing fits anymore just my rant.

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there seems to be two mind sets one money and one for the love of the hobby

To find a happy balance between the two is what I strive for ,,, Though thats easier said than done at times, granted.
Who here would sell a dagger or Pilots badge for top dollar to someone who declared in advance that they hate TR militaria, and their intention is to melt it down ?
I could flat out say I would not do it.

lol i heard at one time a jewish project was to educate and destroy the third reich collections.but they dont have that much money.But alas I do think that does happen. For all the wrong reason .but if we contiue to do it ourself for money than we are really no better I know alot will disagree with me but....