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#14329 03/28/2010 03:12 PM
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Hallo, I got this HJ Leader dagger made from Eickhorn.

What are your opinions about originality?

Thank you and greetings from Germany.

Rieny

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#14347 03/28/2010 06:45 PM
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Hello,
Pommel on mine is retained by 2 rivet on the 2 side.
RZM on blade is larger than the center of the blade.

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I dont like it, just because its not text book but then a agin Eick supposedly had a few variations. If I saw that pommel on one of my HJ leaders I would die...I dont like it. Just my 2 cents. T

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Tiep:

I was under the impression that the Eickhorn variations were found on the Eichorn marked Leaders. The RZMs were more standardized.

That is my understanding, Please correct me if I am worng.

John


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VERY SUSPICIOUS IMO the swas on the pommel top does not look very well proportioned for one

PAUL

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I'm not seeing any problems.


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#14353 03/29/2010 01:24 PM
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Here are better pictures from the Pommel. The Swastika is well proportioned in my opinion.

Is this engraves by hand?

Thank you People for your help and time!

Greetings Rieny

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#14358 03/29/2010 01:46 PM
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I see no problems. All HJ leader Eickhorns are not the same. Textbooks are limited. Many aspects of many daggers and many other items are not in books at this time. Books are guides-nothing more. We see "different" things most every day.


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#14359 03/30/2010 07:53 AM
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Hard to say better.
Nice and rare dagger.


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Sort of questionable to think Eick had 2 different pommel styles or stamps or molds for the pommel, as if it may be a high volume output as say an SA. Why such a difference when the other example is so much nicer looking, its diamond centered and detail to the swaz. All aspects of the detail on that dagger are poorer in my eyes. I have a mint 36 so I cant compare.

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Hallo tiep, as far as i know about HJ leader daggers there is a lot of hand engraving on this daggers. No one looks like the other.

I hope my informations are correct?

Greetings Rieny

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Eickhorn has SEVERAL different HJ Leader Pommels. Some were solid, screw on types while others were hollow and slipped on with brad holder. So, just because not too many of a model were produced by a company, don't expect the number of fittings would be so limited.


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#14363 04/22/2010 07:04 PM
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Ron is correct--As I said-- everything is not in the books. Books are a general guide-they are NOT absolute. Pieces MUST be judged as a whole-not just one aspect or what some book says.


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#14364 04/23/2010 06:31 AM
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Ciao Rieny,
from my point of view, its an original HJ-leader. Eickhorn donīt produced all the time textbook daggers, that is not possible.

Best regards

Winfried

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quote:
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Thank you for your statements.

If anoyone know a good hanger for sale please tell me where.

Greetings Rieny

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I have one that is choice near mint/mint.
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