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This looks like a fake but i do not have the knowledge on this type of dagger. its on another web site. I have SS daggers but not this kind of inscription.
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sorry i will try to make it bigger.
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another try on inscription
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There are good books on the market where you would spot it out in one second if this one is real or not. A little homework is necessary for this hobby and this a cheap copy of one SS honor dagger, and then with the RZM maker mark ...
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I have some good books on it but was still taken by a guy named pawl who sold one to a friend of mine that traded it to me. I was lucky and got my trade back thanks to a nice man on this forum. There are five bids on this dagger as of now and five days to go. Real scary.
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A good book is Reproduction? Recognition! by Stephens for starting out.
Best, John
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That is a good book,but beware it is out of print and you may have to pay a premium for it nowadays,there was one sold on Ebay not so long ago and it was a bargain,good hunting.Ivan.
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quote: still taken by a guy named pawl
This person is known for ripping off collectors so beware!
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Not anymore, This was a couple years ago. I have since learned a lot from this forum and the nice gentleman who looked at my stuff and gave me the word. I understand that pawl is going under some other names now. My experience came out ok, I got my trades and money back from the person who pawl was selling his stuff through.
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The book is $133.33 us but it cost more to be wrong than the cost of the book. Thanks for the site.
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The dagger is a well known early fake. It combines a "Himmler" with an "Honor dagger." The blade is "RZM" marked. All original Himmler's are by Eickhorn and have standard fittings and scabbard. The "honor" fittings are also reproductions. Not a bad display item for what it is, but the bidding has gone over $400. Ridiculous, in my book.
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This dagger is cheap junk. I just traded a copy of Reproduction Recognition to Tom Johnson, check his web site as he nearly always has copies for sale. 
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On a slightly different note, there is a fake diplomat's dagger (FW Holler, Berlin), also on eBay, that has bids over $600, with a "Buy Now" price of several thousand. It is astounding that people are willing to pay so much for junk without having any idea as to what they are buying.
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Grumpy. With the blade being marked Holler Berlin was a dead giveaway! Another member stated that Holler did not make this type of dagger.
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I thought the dagger that started this thread sold on gunbroker, Now I see it again for sale. What gives?
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777. The fake Himmler dagger is still listed on the other site. Somebody retacted their bid because it was a little over $400.00 and now it is at $250.00. At least one person wised up!
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Gunbroker used to be good, but there is a whole lot'o fakes on that site now..
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It really is so suprising that punters will offer up good money for junk, hey if you can access ecrap then your internet enabled, surely common sense would direct anyone to a place like this, or similar, to do a bit of research before parting with hard earned money.
This forum is a gold mine of info for any new collector, and indeed any old collector returning to the hobby. Can't say enough about this place!!!
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