#1305
02/17/2009 09:16 PM
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Hi
Can anyone help. I have just seen a Fallschirmjaeger Parade Bayonet with 43FZE across the top of one side of the blade just below the handle and 6331 in the same palce on the other. Can anyone tell me what they might signify?
There appear to be makers marks on the pommel but they are very small and very worn - could be A519. Any ideas?
The engraving on the blade is Mit Unsern Fahnen Ist Der Sieg and Fallschirmjaeger Swastika Regiment.
Regards
James
Always interested in buying NSDAP collar tabs and Eickhorns of any sort I collect badges and groups for the Polish Army in the West (Polskie sily Zbrojne Na Zachodzie) 1939/47 especially unit badges Contact me directly on [email protected]
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#1306
02/17/2009 09:28 PM
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James
This is a fake.
fze is the manufacturer's code for F.W.Holler.
6331 is the individual weapon number.
This is a standard issue German WW2 S84-98 bayonet which has had spurious engravings/etchings added.
A lot of these were done in the 1960/70s in the UK.
They were maked with all sorts of SS units, U-boats, Luftwaffe units and concentration camps.
I have heard that some are being produced in Eastern Europe.
Hope this helps
Richie
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#1307
02/17/2009 09:44 PM
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That is very interesting. I did wonder because it looks like a regular bayonet but with an engraved blade. So what would distinguish a correct Fallschirmjaeger parade bayonet?
James
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#1308
02/17/2009 10:06 PM
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James
I'll leave that to somebody else - not my thing I'm afraid.
Regards
Richie
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02/17/2009 10:08 PM
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You have me worried now. What about this one?
Always interested in buying NSDAP collar tabs and Eickhorns of any sort I collect badges and groups for the Polish Army in the West (Polskie sily Zbrojne Na Zachodzie) 1939/47 especially unit badges Contact me directly on [email protected]
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#1310
02/17/2009 10:33 PM
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"If it ain't baroque don't fix it." Johann Sebastian Bach
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02/17/2009 11:01 PM
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James,
As a rule, I'd suggest you stay away from any bayonet that even remotely looks like the one you posted. Combat bayonets, as a general rule, were not etched/embellished like dress bayonets. These are fantasy pieces, tarted up postwar. If you can get one cheap, they're fine as a letter opener.
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#1312
02/18/2009 01:35 AM
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Concur with all these comments.Most have their origins in UK in ,70s/80,s.Total Fantasy. Seiler (yank in UK) 
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#1314
02/18/2009 05:05 AM
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James T.
Or..... you could check out my book page 53. I hope future mistakes can be avoided.
I Love This Stuff
Von Ryan
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#1315
02/18/2009 05:31 AM
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Wayne's book is great. I don't know what I would do without it.
Wayne, when are we going to see a revised version?
John
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#1316
02/18/2009 04:16 PM
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It is true that no real S84/98 bayonets were etched. However other types of German bayonets were legitimately etched. An example being a fireman's bayonet upon retirement. Also KS 98 bayonets were etched.
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#1317
02/18/2009 07:52 PM
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quote: Originally posted by JamesT:
You have me worried now. What about this one?
James I agree with bayonut, this is totally wrong I'm afraid. You sometimes see some quite rare varities of the S84-98s totally ruined by the addition of these markings. Regards Richie
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#1318
02/19/2009 10:42 AM
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Thank you everyone for your advice and help with the question of etched bayonets. And I will buy Wayne's book. You have all been great.
The guy who offered me the bayonets in the photo that his father passed on to him is not a happy bunny. He thought he was sitting on a gold mine.
Always interested in buying NSDAP collar tabs and Eickhorns of any sort I collect badges and groups for the Polish Army in the West (Polskie sily Zbrojne Na Zachodzie) 1939/47 especially unit badges Contact me directly on [email protected]
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#1319
02/19/2009 05:53 PM
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James,
You can assure the fellow that all the bayonets in the picture are fakes.
"You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." Ricky Nelson
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#1320
02/19/2009 06:21 PM
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Still--all is not lost. Some people collect these even knowing they are fakes.  You can probably get about $300 each for them. 
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#1321
02/20/2009 05:08 PM
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Here's another one to stay away from. An original Max Weyersberg with a fake blued panel etch. Pretty, but bogus.
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#1322
02/20/2009 05:09 PM
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WANTED TO REPURCHASE!! Walther pistol Model PP - ac code - Ser. No. 382000P - REWARD FOR INFO ABOUT THIS PISTOL!!
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#1323
02/20/2009 05:10 PM
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WANTED TO REPURCHASE!! Walther pistol Model PP - ac code - Ser. No. 382000P - REWARD FOR INFO ABOUT THIS PISTOL!!
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#1324
03/03/2009 01:29 PM
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Those k98 bayonets were coming from England. The information I had at the time was that an ex Wilkinson Sword employee, possibly an engraver, was embellishing original K98 daggers. He was not doing this to fool anyone it was a hobby that earned him some money. Though I think some nice bayonets were ruined in the process but I also think these are quite aesthetic.
They were appearing at many fairs here and abroad and I think at that point the stories as to their origins begin to take on an air of fantasy. Not from the original source but from the middle men out to make a few quid. I bought mine from such a fantasy source when I started collecting.
They were all finished to a very high standard. triple acid etched. I have about 6 in my collection and in their own rights I think they are collectible after all no more are being played with by the original perp as I suspect he has since passed on. They are being copied but not to the same standard.
As Houston points out they are fetching better money than a standard K98 but you must be sure to get the English ones. A while back they were selling for $200 so already a 50% increase in market value.
If you want to see pics of mine ask and you will receive.
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#1325
03/03/2009 01:35 PM
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Brian Greenhalgh. Current price at UK Shows about 150Sterling. Seiler (yank in UK) 
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