UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum One of my SAdaggers, a more rare one.

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Wotan:
Out of curiousity; How many Feldherrnhalle daggers are you aware of in private German collections?
Jim

jim,
i was just going to ask this question myself.

Due to my researches I think there still exist about 12-15 of these FHH daggers in total. And I already count in two of them which are not known within the common collector community. I think about half of them will stay at europa.
I have a list for my own wherin each published (or offered to sell) one and these I know for my own is "registrated". Which one is with hangers and which one without.
The highest manufacturing number I am aware of (each dagger has his own number inside) is 51.

Wotan,

Are they any gaps in your collection ??

Has the award / qualification critera ever been clarified or established ??

I believe that it's the most breath taking dagger I have ever seen.

Very much a thing of beauty....Jimmy

One fantastic dagger !

I don't like the "Alien" design of FHH dagger ( ) but due to it's rarity I mist admit it's a Holy Grail for any collector!!!

Superb dagger. Wotan if you ever sell a good dagger from your collection, let me know.

Thank you for looking and writing kind words.
@stirnpanzer, yes there are quite a lot, eg. I do not own an elite guard honor degen...
@Walter, the design (especially that the pommel has a slightly larger wingspan than the crossguard) is imo not the best one of Casberg. But as you said, due to rarity.... I have known one since my earliest colletor days (without hangers). A now very old collector has bought it in the fifties for about 85 USD. I have had the luck to learn from this dagger how an original one has to look like. From this collector the sentence "never look for eggs with corners" is coming from which is imo a very wise one.
@mai, I fear that there is already a little row ahead . You can�t imagine what and how much private mails sometimes are coming.... BTW nice Bahnschutz daggers with accouterments in your avatar. Hope we can see them once in a thread.
Good collector�s hunt to all.

Beautiful thanks for sharing your wonderful collection. I like the wood grip on this one didn�t they make some with plastic grips as well?

Stunning !!

Wotan , wer bist Du ?

Regards.

Tom, yes I have seen (in pics, non in reality) them also with a bakelit grip. What really makes me wonder is, that I am aware of a single digit numbered dagger (therefore 0-9) with a wood grip and the highest number of 51 (is not mine) also with a wood grip. It is said that about 50 of these dagges have been manufactured. Those bakelit gripped I think therefore have to lay somewhere between. So I wonder that EICKHORN two times (from wood to bakelit and to wood again) changed the kind of grip manufacturing. OAnother posibility is that these have been the earliest ones (only very few pieces) which came before the one digit number I am aware of. It is also interesting that these with the bakelit grip (due to what I have seen) have two side scabbard srews, no srews in the scabbard bands and I think to remember a thicker scabbard mouth. Would like to hear of a number of one of the bakelit gripped FHHs.
@deutscher was m�chtest Du denn wissen??? Ich denke ich bin blo� einer der wenigen Besitzer eines FHH .
Oh, I forgot to mention: Only about 1/3 or at highest about 1/2 of the FHH daggers around do have their proper period hangers with them.

Wotan,

Fantastic dagger, thanks for showing it here on the forum.

At the SOS another of these super rare species was shown by Craig at his stand.

I just wonder, as so few of those exist, you must have guts to buy one, because what can you refer to (except the source's reputation)? Are the real ones all documented? I was also told that near perfect copies do exist.

Greetings,

Herman

I was amazed at how many were at the SOS. I kinda wonder if along the line sometime that a few were made up from parts? I just was shocked to see so many at the show, and only 50 some were supposable made. What do you guys think? maybe some parts FHH floating around from the Atwood days? Not to impute your piece Wotan but I was just wondering in general how many of these do you feel are real? You piece is beautiful. But I can�t see how something so rare is so available at these shows?

Adam,

You made a very good point here!

I am also surprised to see how many of these are on the marked today. You would expect collectors to hold onto their rarest and most valuable piece, no?

What seems also strange to me is that almost every time a more or less advanced collection gets sold, it was containing a FHH...

Finaly, very recently a FHH was offered to a friend of mine by a well known dealer, a serious discount on the list price was offered: -30% off! Try to get this kind of reduction on the most common SA in average condition...

Greetings,

Herman

Herr Mann and Adam Kirchen, the answers are simple: That several turn up at shows and do not sell is for sure the high price. In my opinion the right price, due to the rarity. But perhaps not the right price if you want/need to sell. So this is the next answer to the reduction.
Also for the most times there are always the same daggers around. I do observe the Dagger of Craig for quite awhile (since it surfaced out of the Mc Carthy collection and was offered by TTW). It does have a somehow "not textbook" hanger which is also not in top condition. Also this one which I think came at last out of the J.Burmeister collection, which has a bakelite grip. This one does have wonderful hangers.
The third one which came out of an austrian collection, went into a dutch collection and was also sold by TTW I think stays currently in a collection for constant.
I cannot speak about the SOS and these FHH that were offered there. But I can assure you that imo it is imposible to fake this dagger for anybody who has had the luck to own one or to inspect one of them very close. The attempts are really laughable. Although sometimes close pics and detaile descriptions are published the daggers still hide some of their "secrets". And due to the very small number of the still existing daggers and the high prices it is not easy for fakers to get one of them . Attwood (so it is said from serious sources) got some parts for FHH daggers, no complete one. And he had to let manufacture some new parts to complete them. So it is easy to detect them.
Believe me, when you got your FHH for an acceptable price and it is somehow possible (a reason to sell might be serious illness, need of much money within short time, selling of the whole colletion or death of the collector....) you WILL hold it "forever".
@stirnpanzer, sorry I overlooked to answer your question concerning award/qualification: The old collector whose dagger I had the luck to study in my early times, and who started collecting immediately after the war (wherein he has fought as a NCO candidate at last) told me that it has been for all leaders of the Wachstandarte FHH and it was awarded also (in slightly or heavy differing look like white grip like G�ring�s or a totally handmade piece like Lutze�s) in a very small number. This somehow would conform what I know from period pictures. I am aware of a young Obstf or Hstf of the stoorm troops who is wearing this dagger and I cannot imagine it as an award in this case. On the other hand, REIMANN as leader of the standarte, did not wear it when the dagger was awarded to G�ring. But this COULD be according to a certain dress regulation. I for myself do not believe that all of them were awards, I believe that "most" of them were "duty-"daggers for a certain kind of stoorm troop leaders (mainly the FHH-Wachstandarte). But this are only my thoughts.