UBB.threads Forums Uniform & Accessories SS & SA Uniform Forum NEW POLITICAL VISOR?

Hi,here is a political visor i just bought can anyone tell me if they like it?thanks

2

3

4

5

67

37

An authentic visor, Orstgruppe level with an uncommon sweatshield maker logo, nice feature. Visor appears to have possibly been repaired/glued at one time. Enjoy, cheers, Ryan

The leather sweatband is also uncommon, as most were ersatz paper....cool.

Hi,I wanted to bring this back to the top!Could someone help me out on this visor?I need to know the value of it with the visor bill being fixed period?Or by dealer/vet ?The chin cord is the correct size,but the buttons were placed in the wrong spot and i moved them back?No mothing at all and in near mint condition?

I think this has been doctored to a degree that the value would not be to awfully high. These generally sell (not on a major dealers site) around the $500-$600 range.

The exterior of the hat looks legit.

The maker (Heertiess - I am butchering the spelling) is a legit period maker and I have seen it on one other orts level political visor.

You say the buttons have been moved...not a good sign.

The visor has been either repaired or reattached, also not a good sign.

The sweatband looks to have been added, as seeing the threads (attaching it) on the exterior of the hat is also not good.

All thing point to (at least for me) a doctored piece which would significantly effect the value of the piece. There is a portion of the collecting community that would by this because it looks good from the exterior (i.e. not knowing what they are looking at) and you could probably sell to them for around that $500 mark. Anyone who knows hats probably would not pay more than a couple hundred for it.

Does anyone know the correct spelling of the maker's name, & their period address, location/city, etc.?

lotsa luck finding that information, 99% of the collectors out there do not even know the name, let alone the other data.

Wilkin's volume does not list it either.

I know that Wilkins doesn't have it, as I have helped him decipher/figure out/provided info on some makers. Someone out there has to have it; most likely a true & tried older collector/researcher, or German collector, who belongs to no forum, & possibly has no computer. These forumites represent only a very minor segment of the collecting community.

quote:

Originally posted by Schlesien:
I know that Wilkins doesn't have it, as I have helped him decipher/figure out/provided info on some makers. Someone out there has to have it; most likely a true & tried older collector/researcher, or German collector, who belongs to no forum, & possibly has no computer. These forumites represent only a very minor segment of the collecting community.

I believe there may possibly be a person out there w/the information but good luck finding him. Keep in mind that (a) Wilkin's did a book on headgear and although this is a lesser known maker, (I have only personally seen say 10 in the last 5 years) and HE did not include it in his volume, even with the aid of the community helping him and (b) older collectors did not necessarily collect by makers like they do now for everything, so maker, address may be lost after so long after the war.

I am a relative newcomer to visor collecting...let's say five years. I hooked up with an old time visor collector that has been doing this for 40+ years when I met him. He is the one who told me the makers name a few years back when I purchased a luft Medical visor made by this maker. He may have the proper spelling (if he can accurately recall it, for I do not believe he has it written down anywhere) but if I remember correctly he did not have any other information as to what town they manufactured in, etc.

As stated by me earlier, losta luck finding anyone knowing this information. It may be out there somewhere stored in someone's memory, or in some piece of period paper (magazine, etc) but if we have not found it thus far, it will be damned tough to find it now.

Fran, thanks for your efforts put forth, much appreciated. I've been collecting for 58 years & bought my first visor cap, an Army Infantry officer for $4 @ a gun show in Girard, PA. What a price huh? The seller had on his table only 3 things: the visor cap, a minty Luft. DD helmet with the early eagle decal, & an offzr. o'seas cap. (I bought all three). Each item was priced @ $4, & I never could figure out why the overseas cap was priced the same as the visor cap & at the time figured the o'seas probably should have been maybe $2.

I used to have an Army General's visor cap that had this elusive maker, but sold the cap due to its overall rough condition.

The info may be buried in some old German 1970's auction catalogs such as the Tradition-Winiarski of Törwang, or the Graf Klenau catalogs. Whenever they had a visor cap for sale & it had a maker, they'd list full maker information in their listings. Many times in the back of their catalogs, they'd provide great collector information such as listing the official regulations & detailed descriptions for a certain type of cap, - for example, in the Tradition-Winiarski catalog Nr. 10 of 7.Dez.1974, in the back are regulations/descriptions for two visor caps,- the Schirmmütze für NSKK-Führer im Fronteinsatz, & the Dienstmütze für weibliche Gefolgschaftsmitglieder d. Reichspost. The description for the NSKK cap per Herstellungsvorschrift der RZM, erschienen im Mitteilungsblatt der RZM, Ausgabe 8 vom 31.Mai 1941 & Rundschreiben des Korpsführers des NSKK vom 10.Juni 1941; & the description for the Reichspost cap from Uniformen-Markt, 7.Jahrgang, Folge 19 vom 1.Okt.1940, Seite 145.

Very interesting, & nothing like looking at official Nazi descriptions of their peak visor caps.

Actually, because you have the RZM code for the manufacturer (on the RZM label), the name and address of the manufacturer should be relatively easy to find. I remember there was a member of the forum who had access to the RZM list book.
Erich

I just noticed that the maker code number can't be seen in the photo--is there any trace of it in person?
Erich