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#125258 10/30/2008 08:05 PM
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Guys:

First up is the obverse of an SA you don't see very often.

MVC-330S.JPG (39.31 KB, 793 downloads)

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The reverse:

MVC-331S.JPG (39.08 KB, 788 downloads)

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The TM:

MVC-332S.JPG (39.63 KB, 775 downloads)

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The grip:

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#125262 10/30/2008 08:07 PM
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The Motto:

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Detail of the 'Alles':

Enjoy,

John

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Next up will be its NSKK twin.

John


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#125265 10/30/2008 08:18 PM
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NSKK obverse:

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#125266 10/30/2008 08:19 PM
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NSKK reverse:

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#125267 10/30/2008 08:20 PM
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Try again. NSKK reverse:

MVC-337S.JPG (39.37 KB, 758 downloads)

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NSKK TM:

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#125269 10/30/2008 08:21 PM
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NSKK Etch:

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Detail of NSKK etch:

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#125271 10/30/2008 08:22 PM
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Reverse scabbard top end:

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#125272 10/30/2008 08:22 PM
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Reverse scabbard tip:

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#125273 10/30/2008 08:23 PM
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Obverse scabbard top:

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#125274 10/30/2008 08:23 PM
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Obverse scabbard tip:

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#125275 10/30/2008 08:24 PM
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They are not mint, but they look great on my wall!

John


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#125276 10/30/2008 08:38 PM
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A very scarce version the small "A". Only seen on Eickhorns and E-packs from my understanding.
To have one is a treat in any collection. But Two, and one an NSKK (first one I've seen) Eek..just a pure pleasure indeed.

Congrats John and Thanks for sharing!

-serge-

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Serge:

Thank you. I picked up the SA from Lakesidetrader early this year and the NSKK from Tom Wittman several months later.

They are like twins with different coloured skirts.

John


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#125278 10/30/2008 11:44 PM
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Eek WOW Eek GREAT DAGGERS !!!

#125279 10/30/2008 11:59 PM
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Woaaaaaaaaaaaah ! Eek
These are very rare daggers my friend and you've got two of them.
Very impressive, congrats.

#125280 10/31/2008 12:27 AM
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Thanks, guys.

But, they definitely are NOT Patrice quality.

Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin

John


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#125281 11/10/2008 09:55 PM
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They may not be in the condition that most of Pat's daggers are but these are exceptional none the less.

Well done.

#125282 11/14/2008 06:22 AM
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Hi

Are these motto`s made ownly in combination with the large Eickhorn trademark?
Regards Jan

#125283 11/19/2008 05:14 PM
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A vary rare dagger twin that you own, John!

Congratulations!


Just be very carefull with these... I have seen several fake blades with this inscription combined with authentic daggers: the etchings are well done but show minor differences with the original inscription. The crossgrain appeared unusual too. One even had a fake pointed wings eagle inserted in the grip.

Best greetings,

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#125284 11/21/2008 01:15 AM
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exactly how rare are these and what's their general value?

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My understanding is that these were very early, but not the earliest, SA/NSKK daggers before the standards were clarified and orders put out for general purchase.

Their life was something on the order of six months or so. That is why you see them with the early trademarks, like the double oval serrated tail CE Eickhorn.

I have seen pictures of even earlier prototype SAs, the so called Christmas dagger and an SA with a Deutschland Uber Alles motto.

John


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#125286 11/21/2008 07:23 PM
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I own the Deustchland Uber Alles dagger (or at least, the one that I know of). It's listed in my gallery - are there any others known? I had always thought that mine was the only one, but would be excited to learn of more. Mine is scheduled to appear in Wittmann's book - I just got it back from him (he had it photographed). This one was sold by Tom many years ago, and I was fortunate enough to add it to my collection earlier this year. I also tracked down and bought one of only two Himmler SA daggers (originally sold by Gailen) at this year's MAX show.



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#125287 11/22/2008 12:05 AM
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Craig:

Yours was the one that I was referring to in my previous note. But, I wouldn't describe where I saw it without your permission.

A Himmler SA? Wow, first time that I have heard of such a thing.

Can you post pictures of it, please?

John


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#125288 11/23/2008 02:32 AM
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Last time the photos were available was on Gailen's website about 8 years ago. It'll be in Wittmann's book, so I don't know if he wants me to spoil the surprise, but I'll ask. Yeah, it's my dagger, but I don't want to direspect Tom in any way.


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#125289 08/14/2009 02:23 PM
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Although Consideration is a Rare and admirable trait in a businessman,,
...still wanna peek. Big Grin


In Memory of Joe Mann
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July 8, 1922 �
September 19, 1944



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I can't even begin to imagine how unpopular an SA mann would have been with the rank and file after receiving a bauble to commemorate his participation in his fellow comrade's slaughter..

I can't even think of a single logical reason as to why two (let alone one..) would exist.

It must be said however that many later high SA officials (Viktor Lutze chief amongst them) directly owed their positions to the party for their acquiescence to the pogrom behind operation 'Hummingbird'.

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NICE John.U are lucky that have twins,wery nice daggers my friend.

Craig:Wery nice dagger,i have newer seen before.


Thanks for shareing the pics


Regards
Carlos1

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