|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
Ok, Yes I am one of thoughs Dagger & Helmet collectors, and I don't know alot on the subject of badges. So I got all these from I don't really know over time. And I never had good feelings about them. None are maker marked and all are solid, not releaived like many badges I have own that I knew were real, so I pose the question are any of these real?
a1.jpg (64.92 KB, 330 downloads) 1
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
1
a1.jpg (64.92 KB, 320 downloads)
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
Sorry about the first two I though I cropped them right but I guess not. And I can't even edit my own post? Whys that? And here is a smaller picture of the first post
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7 |
Untill we get back to you with some conclusive answers here is a site that compares many war badges. Not all badges were marked and many badges are found solid back. --dj--Joe http://lbmilitaria.homestead.com/index.htmlEdit allows me to replace the image. I can not delete it but can replace it. 
<BR>
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
thanks for leaving a reply that site may help  but I finally got hope that people will answer this. 55 view and one answer I was sure we had badge experts.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7 |
 I do not think any one here claims to be an expert. We have some knowledgable helpfull individuals. Come on badge collectors, give some input. --dj--Joe Questions, does the obverse of the tank badge have zinc pest? Are any of the pins magnetic?
<BR>
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
All the pins on the back are magnetic, none of the badge part are magnetic, and as far as zinc pest (Will I don't know what that is)
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,953 Likes: 238
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,953 Likes: 238 |
Adam, 'zinc pest',,its a corrosion of the metal [zinc]. At first when it just starts it gets cloudy, whitish and eventually when it gets worse over the years bits might actually crumble off..
Is the tank badge flat backed? Is it my eyes but do all 3 badges have the same pin/catch assemblies?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
Simliar style, and the tank badge and GAB does have zinc pest I guess, but the other dosen't really have any. But the catches, hinges and pins are very close in design but a little defferent on each I will try and get better pictures of them. Oh and on my badges I know are real should I clean this zinc pest off?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
Here is new pictures of the hinge, pins and clasp. The Hinges do look all the same style.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
Sorry about the detail you gotta resize em so much to get them on this forum.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7 |
<BR>
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
Thanks I tryed that but could not confirm anything from that site I've spent hours on it. I guess none of these stands right out as a reproduction, is that right?  Now I know why I don't collect badges full time.  Very confusing..#$@@%^$
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 323
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 323 |
Adam, they look fine to me. Nothing raises a red flag. Don
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
That will be wonderful I guess if they end up being real, I'll wish I had treated them a little better like they were real  (they been in a can all together for 3 or more years). I guess some badges just look cheap like GAB not very stylish design, IMO. If this is confirmed by a few more I'll feel a fool. I guess some of us should stick with daggers and helmets 
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,953 Likes: 238
|
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,953 Likes: 238 |
Adam, If the panzer badge is perfectly flat on the reverse check that tank badge link from derjager.. Look under 'Variants' and compare yours with the flat backed badge shown, there is even a weight. I personally don't like flat backs but more and more collectors are accepting them as original, so check carefully, you might have a rare one there.. ,G.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
My tank badge looks like the last variant on the variant page and the weight of mine is right there. Variants PageI am pretty sure that one is real now. Thanks guys now we need to bust the other two for sure. 
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7 |
Adam, you definitely have some tough badges to pin down. The first red flag as already mentioned was the fact that all three badges were flat back with the same style hinge and the same catch base shape. Coincidences do happen. So leaving that aside the second pattern E-boat badge resembles an L/18 badge. The scratch marks on the reverse raise some concerns. I am not of much help here. These badges are in a grey area. Will continue to research.
--dj--Joe
<BR>
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
Thanks I will keep them into I have positive verification even if I have them the rest of my life 
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7 |
There are a number of badges that fall under the unknown maker category. There is a book covering General Assault badges. I believe the title to be, A Difinitive Guide to the German Awards of WWII, volume 1, The General Assault Badge by: Frank Heukemes. Perhaps someone with the book will reply with a search through the content.
--dj--Joe
<BR>
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 323
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 323 |
Put some vasoline on those badges for 24 hours and then wipe it off. That will take care of the zink pest. Don
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
I'll have to try that thank alot.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7 |
Adam, Got to try and talk you into posting some of your other badges. We need some fresh scenery around here.  --dj--Joe
<BR>
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
I sold most of my badges I purchased in favor of daggers and helmet which I find easier to know you got a TR period item. The only Badges I have left are my Vet buy stuff and The ones I've gotten that I don't know are real, I have one other I don't know is real, I will post the rest regardless.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
Here you be mate  This Ground Assault badge was brought back by my grandfathers brother. Sadly he ripped it off the uniform braking the pin off  .
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
This is one I believe to be a fake as I picked this up with a grouping that had many fakes along with the real things, but this one too I am unsure so it remains boxed up and put away.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
Lastly for now, I gotta find more 
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7
|
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,707 Likes: 7 |
Adam, thanks for posting the Ground assault badge. I have one laying around somewhere also. In my case I traded many of my earlier collected daggers for badges.  Turned out to be a good move value wise. As to the RS&S High Seas Fleet Badge I can only offer the following link. http://lbmilitaria.homestead.com/files/hsfrss.jpgI have not noted a varient set up like on yours. --dj--Joe
<BR>
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1
|
OP
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 1,888 Likes: 1 |
I will bring all these to the SOS if some of you metal guys would like a closer look at them. All of them beside the RS&S High Seas Fleet Badge which I sold as a Repro.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 693
|
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 693 |
Adam, I like the pAB and GAB, not the E-boat. I am collecting PAB and would like to buy it, if you want to sell it. Best Wishes, Bob
|
|
|
Forums42
Topics31,631
Posts327,895
Members7,432
|
Most Online5,900 Dec 19th, 2019
|
|
9 members (Dutchman, OWN, Stirnpanzer, AdrianC, Vern, den70, benten, Honestmike, Baz69),
526
guests, and
95
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|