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#122652 07/10/2007 06:30 AM
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SmileHELLO

I got a ring several years ago.
SmileThe Meuer,21,12,43 ring wears out very much.
ConfusedI think.

He wore a copy, and the original kept it.

SEAM has 835 marks. If there is not a mark, as for the outside and the inside, distinction with the imitation is difficult.
Give me an opinion of all of you.
Thank you?

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#122653 07/10/2007 06:42 AM
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we are need more fotos , with diff.views Razz

#122656 07/10/2007 01:49 PM
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Hello! Smile
Thank you! Big Grin And I'm sorry. Frown

... why will not understand. Confused



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#122657 07/10/2007 01:53 PM
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Hi Pink,,your photos must be less than 100 kb...

Evgeniy , is asking for more photos...You write there is an 835 mark,,,could we see a photo of it,,and photos of the inside band engraving,,,thanks , G.

#122658 07/10/2007 09:45 PM
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Please send to these pictures my PC. I will try.


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#122659 07/10/2007 10:59 PM
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Thank you. Smile Gaspar! ! Smile


sskenkyuukai,
the truth? ! Eek
Thank you! I send it!

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#122670 07/11/2007 02:00 AM
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Man that is a great replica. I was about to say it was real with a latent 835 stamp and corrosion might be making it look cast. Even the engraving conforms other than a low r in the Himmler. Thank god I have papers on mine or I would be in panic mode.
Regardless it is nice. You might want Mr. Boyle to look at it. This is certainly not run of the mill.

#122671 07/11/2007 03:40 AM
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W O W,,that IS a good copy! Very nice..

Maybe a Peichl piece?

Please,tell us more about it Pink...Thanks ,G.

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SmileHELLO , ss kenkyuukai
Thank you very very much ?? Big Grin

Smiletorinojo2 ,HELLO

Big GrinIs glad to be pleased with you; thank you Smile
I bought it at German auction. Wink

This is heavier than other copyrings

Gaspare HELLO Smile
It was good
I am glad to praise it

By the way, what is Peichl?
I do not understand a meaning.
Is it a name? ? Confused

#122673 07/11/2007 02:09 PM
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What is so hard about stamping 835 on a genuine ring?


"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it" Santayana
#122674 07/11/2007 09:53 PM
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Smilepeichl...
Is it the person who made this? Smile

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#122675 07/12/2007 01:33 AM
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* Zorro,,not that's its hard, but unusual.. Originals weren't content marked,,and the counterfeiters are usually smart enough not to content mark theirs!

*Peichl was a man who worked at the Gahr firm during the war. Gahr being the sole jewelry firm that produced the SS Totenkopf Honor Ring.

Peichl survived the war and started making excellent looking copies of the Honor ring. The rings were one piece construction. Sometimes the rings were blank in the band and sometimes you could even have your name engraved!

I've seen a few and there seems to be a couple different patterns but the style is of the late type ring.. There are imperfections/faults in his rings and if I remember correctly Don once mentioned they were put in on purpose..

Could this ring have been custom made as a postwar replacement for Meuer? It does has the appearance of an old ring, with honest wear,,and thats what makes the ring look so good [at least to me]....

Pink, do you presently wear this ring? daily? , thanks, G.

#122676 07/16/2007 05:23 PM
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hello!!Gaspar! !

I never wear the ring. Wink
I merely look at this. Razz

They usually have the rumor that wore a copy not to lose a ring.
Is it true?


What kind of case was the reissue of the ring accepted by?

thank you

#122677 07/17/2007 03:17 AM
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It is an excellent copy Pink!

There were no 'wearing' copies during the war. You got the ring sent to you,,one..

When / if it wore out you could put in a request for a replacement. If I remember correctly you would have to send in the old / worn ring to receive the new one, that is unless you lost it!..

Did they get another box with the new ring? I'd say yes. We must remember that the box was not really important to the SS man, the ring was..To collectors the box is a rare and expensive item. To the SS man it was just a cardboard box the ring came in..I could imagine some probably threw the box out!!

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Thank you?

Do you know reissue box with reissue ring?
Is there 1930's style box and 1940's style ?

#122679 07/20/2007 02:35 AM
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Hi Pink,,sadly most boxes get switched around.. A nice condition box usually gets 'married' to a minty ring!
I have seen a reissue ring with a box but theres really no way of saying 100% it came that way after all the years gone by..

So far no documentation on what year rings came with the various different boxes...

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SmileGaspar!


Thank you Smile Smile

I want to watch MINTBOX. Big Grin

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Very interesting piece. With respect to boxes,I have documented 4 different types.


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Hello. Smile Craig. Smile

Is it four kinds of boxes? Confused
I know three kinds of boxes.
I want to look! Eek

#122683 10/14/2007 02:53 AM
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I have viewed this ring and sure is nice. One thing that makes me love this ring are things like this that come about. Lastly craig, you say 4 versions of the RING BOXES? Can you supply any photos of the 4 versions? I am looking at one now that is different than others I have seen. Of this ring in question being a copy,what if its not a copy at all? and someone actually marked it with the german mark to just sell it as true SILVER content without knowing what it really was? Just a thought,glad to be back.

#122684 10/29/2007 10:18 PM
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I apoligise for bringing this OLD thread back up,but this ring is just an old, i.e,45-50 copy.

Yes it does look nice, good wear and patina, but it is OBVIOUSLY a mundane, one piece construct.

Was it done by an ex, Otto Gahr employee?
who cares? if it was,then he knew how to make a mould.

Oh,and his engraving skills? rubbish.


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