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Hi all, i was wondering if anyone has seen this particular etch faked? or without a maker mark. Here is one an example i have come accross recently that appears a bit skew-if...

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comparison (original etch pic courtesy of Tom Wittman). I have circled the area's that i think look off compared to the orignal. Is this meerly a variation or another bayo etch to be wary of...

I've never seen this type of piece reproduced but that doesn't mean it never happened, I would be wary of the bayonet though. From your pictures, the reverse etch (both borders & font) appears to be an Eickhorn product, not a Pack product. From what I've read, Eickhorn was strictly proprietary about their products & only sold their etched blades to distributors, never to other manufacturers. The obverse etch looks very much like a Pack piece although there are significant differences between Tom Wittmann's and the piece in question to make me question the veracity of the etches.

Just curious, can you get a shot of the obverse rivets?

Obverse views aren't necessary. This example is NOT RIGHT for a variety of Big Time, Red Flag reasons; 1. Eickhorn was the ONLY Company to use the fleur-de-lis is there etches. It would not show up on a PACK product.
2. The Long Bird Pack etch is distorted in MANY areas. In other words the detailing Pack put into EVERY etch is not featured here.
3. The whole etch does not look like any acid-etched treatment.
I would advise this: NEVER buy anything, you have to make up a story about to sell in the future.

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Von Ryan

I agree that this is a fake , however it is not true, contrary to popular opinion, that Eickhorn is the only company known to use the fleur de leis type pannel. WKC also used it on WWI era double etched bayonets with the Bavarian motto on both sides.

Well ok, Houston WWI is WWI the subject in question here is WORLD WAR TWO,TWO,TWO. AND just for the sake of suggestion isn't it possible that Eickhorn MAY have sold some etched examples to WKC during the WORLD WAR I period as they sold to distributors the second time around?

Von Ryan

The SUBJECT in question was-EICKHORN, EICKHORN, EICKHORN.-You indicated ALWAYS-and is it not possible that WKC DID NOT buy from EICKHORN in WWI but made it themselves? Whenever ANYONE says NEVER or ALWAYS in this hobby they are almost always WRONG--and--I can still see fairly well-I don't need your "CAPS"

Houston,

The subject here is the example above, which I hope you would agree is not a WWI dress bayonet or etch. The reason for the caps is that you have "dug this trench" before! Let me put it this way then: In your 50 years have you seen a Third Reich etched dress bayonet Eickhorn original example that had an etch from another manufacturer on it?

Wayne

Wayne --I'm not digging any holes or trenches-whatever that's supposed to mean--I'm just pointing out what I have seen-which you seem to object to-or can't accept-for some reason.
No to your question --but I would not say that one can NEVER turn up. A special order piece that does not conform is a possibility when considering any German edged weapon. You might not like exceptions but they do exist.

Wayne, Houston is correct. Never say Never. The best guide to this bayonet is the large edges, the oversize letters and the overall poor workmanship to the leaves and acorns. Regardless of how you feel about manufacturers (and you and I both know you are too set in your ideas-eg. Pack TMs that you are wrong about), there are other points of contention on this piece that makes it an easy ID as to time period of production.
For some reason, they just can't seem to get it right on modern day repros. They still can't get the frosting in the background, crispness of the etch and details on the design, let alone the hilt and grip fit.
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Ron Weinand
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Ron,

I'm glad that was "just Your Opinion"..

Houston,

Many of the collectors reading this thread might not collect Etched dress bayonets and therefore I have always felt it more reasonable to except what was actually done versus something you have to create a "story" about to
try to sell later.

Wayne

Wow that bugler must be under water "going down for the third time" with all those bubbles coming out of his mouth and going to the surface. Could that be considered a "period flaw" or is it just the photo? I don't think you have to make up any kind of a "story" to sell a fine special order piece even though it may be a bit different. The Christmas bayonet you showed recently is a prime example. No story necessary.

Houston,

No you don't have to make up a story about the Christmas bayonet because all the pieces FIT. Bookends are Klaas, basic Klaas etch, Klaas hilt ect,ect. and because there are other known examples of the same piece. But if you have something as the individual has above, then you would have to make up some scenero as to how it could have come about. Here is my point: collector's should stay with known etches from the known producers so as not to be "hustled" by some dealer. The bubbles, thing wasn't all that funny....

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