UBB.threads Forums Edged Weapons SA & NSKK Dagger Forum Unissued RZM SA's

I know everyone hates giving guesstimates on prices but...

1) What would an unissued RZM SA go for approximately?

2) What would an unissued RZM SA go for with the original bag approximately?

3) What would an unissued RZM SA go for with the original bag and tag approximately?

What would Collector's want to pay and how much would Dealer's try and sell for?

I guess I'm looking for a breakdown for each component if anyone would like to shudder a guess...

I see Johnson has a 3) scenerio, asking price is $1950.

Scott, too much depends upon the deal you are looking at. I found that the more you can buy from any source, the less the price of each item. I would say that Johnson is right on the money on #3. I don't usually like RZM SA daggers, but in pristine condition they are among the finest in my collection. Just last week I got a F.W. Holler RZM and it is among the most stunning daggers I have, bar none. Because I bought a Luft sword, gravity knife, red cross hewer and two SA's from the one seller, (NOT a dealer) the price for each SA was quite affordable. Sometimes the great ones just jump out of the woodwork and you can't believe what you are looking at.

Mark

I don't think you can go wrong at $1950 at that condition. These pieces with all the bells and whistles are disappearing rapidly. You know they have lay away and and their easy enough to work with.

To me, bags and tags have no value what so ever. They are just garbage that, in the best case, just still hangs on/around the dagger, but in most cases has been added postwar to great looking daggers. In many cases the authenticiy of that stuff can be questioned. I know that bags and tags are "hot" at the moment and that explanes why there seems to be a large supply of it... Just not my thing!

Best greetings,

Herman

Okay, so what would an unissued RZM go for approximately?

What is a tag worth by itself and what's a bag worth by itself?

If the one on Johnson's site didn't have the bag and tag, what do you think his asking price would be then?

Minty daggers of all types with bags and tags HAVE BEEN HOT FOR YEARS! I rarely was offered this type of merch. from the vets and I was doing an average of 22 shows a year at 5 days a week 9am to 9pm. We bought all types of merch. to include watches, diamonds, jewelry, military,etc... and rarely was it still new in the box. You'll know when you've got the real deal in your hands.

There's a few around at the moment...I just don't know if I can bring myself to purchase an RZM dagger, unless of course, it was at a bargain price in unissued/mint condition.

sdp, if I'm not mistaken, the dagger on Johnson's site is "tagged" but DOES NOT include the bag. Regards, Leipzig

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Originally posted by Leipzig:
sdp, if I'm not mistaken, the dagger on Johnson's site is "tagged" but DOES NOT include the bag. Regards, Leipzig

Actually Leipzig, you are 100% correct!

So that makes it more expensive again.

sdp, if that dagger included the bag, believe me, I would have bought it!
For what it's worth, I bought a tagged NSKK NM/Mint in every respect, w/hanger 2 yrs ago, for $1495. Johnson stated then that the NSKK's are much harder to find than S/A's. Have they gone up $500 in 2 yrs.? Apparently!
I bought this "tagged,bagged,3-piece hanger, and very nice display case 1 yr. ago. Price? Don't ask, but I wanted it! I think that's the main thing, how bad do you want it? Regards, Leipzig

Well, I don't really like RZM daggers, although I do have to admit, some of them do look quite nice. It's just that they lack the material and craftsmanship to that of an earlier dagger that puts me off.

However, in saying that, I would purchase one at a bargain price, (only if it's mint & unissued though) but the price is oh so important to me for my personal reasons above.

I bought one from Wittmann at last years MAX in Charlotte for $1650. I was told it would be shown in hos upcoming SA book with me listed as the owner. I have seen the one your talking about and in my opinion mine is much nicer...
heres a link to all my daggers....look at the Puma RZM 7-27

http://s101.photobucket.com/albums/m61/anythingww2/

Bob... your link doesn't seem to work?

There's a few unissued RZM's available at the moment, I doubt you would have seen the one I have in mind...

Perhaps a time will come in this hobby when everyone will stop "dissing" RZM daggers. They are as much a part of 3rd Reich history as the earlier maker marked ones and were manufactured with a specific purpose in mind which was to free up strategic materials to meet other requirements.
I don't particularly like the appearance of the Canadian WW II Inglis assembled Hi- Powers.* However they are every much a Hi-Power as those assembled by Browning in Belguim. No they're not rust blued and the fit and finish is a fine as one would expect had they been produced in Belguim but they are still very much a Hi-Power.
Jim

*For the non firearms collector here; these Browning P35 Hi-Power pistols were assembled by the John Inglis Co. in Canada and were used to arm British and Canadian troops after the Germans overran Belgium.
Jim

HI SDP
I just tried the link and it worked for me. If you want to email me [email protected] I will send you the link directly. I saw the one on Tom Johnsons site. What I meant by nicer was that the TJ Scabbard seemed a little scratched.
Bob

Bob... I've sent you a PM. Cheers, Scott

Chip has an RZM tag that has been removed from the dagger for sale..Its an Anton Wingen triangular tag and he wants $250..Thats just for the tag..It would appear based on the going rate that the tag is worth far more on the dagger than off....

Ive seen Johnsons dagger, and I believe the price is a little high..That being said, if you dont buy it someone else will, and the next time one pops up, it might be more..

These rarely make it to the websites, and I only know of this one and 1 other currently on the market with a tag...The other is significantly more than this one..At the MAX I saw 3 tagged ones, the 2 I knew of already, and 1 other...They were all in the $1900 range minuimum...Wittmann had an NSKK I considered recently, but the tag was ripped very badly and I felt the tag could have ripped during shipping, it was torn so bad..He wanted $1895..I believe its now gone..
They are rare, especially when compared to the abundance of normal SAs..But they are not impossible to find...(while I am not qualified to speculate on the future of these, they have gone up significantly in the last year, and with Wittmanns new book, could fuel even more interest in these)

There is a group I saw at the MAX (and have heard they are at all the shows) that sells SA/SS handles without blades with tags on them, but they are poor quality fakes..

If you want it you should buy it, because if you think a price of say, $1650 is better, well, in a year or 2 you will have forgotten the extra $300 you paid, but will forever have the dagger...

From what I've seen, the guys who have the tagged ones rarely want to release them...


I personally have 4 of them.. 2 RZMs and 2 Transitionals.. (1 is a Transitional NSKK/ Wilhelm Wagner) which I believe is an uncommon maker..(whats the McSarr rating for Wagner? granted McSarr is for early SAs, but would be curious nontheless)..My other transitional is an Anton Wingen...

Maybe any others here who have one would be willing to post theirs..

For those of you interested, check The Ruptured Duck site, he just listed a "tagged and bagged" NSKK by F&A Helbig. Regards, Leipzig

Thats a nice scabbard but the nut, upper guard and RZM marks looks alittle rough.