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Posted By: ORPO Armistice Sword - 05/31/2005 01:46 PM
Gents,

Here is my new "Armistice" sword by Weyersberg that I aquired last week. These seem to be called the "Armistice" sword because Jack Angolia dubbed them as such in his sword books. Has anyone found these illustrated in a Blanke Waffen catalog? Anyone know the Weyersberg catalog number for this sword?

George

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 05/31/2005 01:51 PM
Closeup view of the hilt showing the gilt brass hilt and celluloid grips. The langet has a flying eagle with an olive or laurel branch, which is why this sword seems to have been dubbed the "Armistice" sword. While the eagle with an olive branch may symbolize peace, an eagle with a laurel branch could certainly signify victory. What do you think?

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 05/31/2005 01:54 PM
A view of the reverse langet showing the owner's cypher. A very high quality and ornate brass hilt as would be expected of a Weyersberg sword.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 05/31/2005 01:57 PM
Another view of the hilt showing the detail on the backstrap.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 05/31/2005 01:58 PM
One more closeup showing the knuckle guard.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 05/31/2005 02:01 PM
Also, a view of the triple etched blade. A typical Weyersberg etch template with fussy scrolls, dots, and stands of arms. I just love these NS Zeit etched blade swords.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 05/31/2005 02:02 PM
Finally, a closeup view of the etched blade.

George

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Posted By: Swordz Re: Armistice Sword - 05/31/2005 07:54 PM
George:
Onehellofa hit!
Beautiful sword and a scarce one at that.
Love the cypher on the languet, nicely entwined.
The Eagle languet is unusual to say the least.
The Lion's Head is outstanding in detail.
Hell, who cares what the blade looks like!
Thanx for sharing.
Jax
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Armistice Sword - 05/31/2005 10:20 PM
Beautiful!!! I always thought these sabers dated from the 20's and 30's but, looking in Angolia he describes one with etched inscription dated '45.
Posted By: Dow Cross Re: Armistice Sword - 05/31/2005 10:59 PM
I have always liked these types of swords. And would not mind having one myself. Nice find.
Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/01/2005 04:00 AM
Thanks Gentlemen. I appreciate the kudos. This sword was not cheap but I have wanted a nice one with an etched blade for some time. the owner's cypher and the sword bag were also a plus.

Actually, this same sword came with an eagle pommel as well. Here is a photo of another Weyersberg with the eagle pommel. This one did not have an etched blade but the only other difference seems to be the backstrap with an eagle instead of a lion head pommel.

George

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/02/2005 12:09 AM
Dale,

As you point out, dating this sword is why I asked if anyone had seen one in a catalog or knew the Weyersberg catalog number or description for it. I agree that this sword is probably fairly early as all I have seen have been well executed and high quality. All that I have seen also had brass fittings, while other later Weyersberg swords do have gilt aluminum fittings of this same style (and identical backstrap and ferrule).

I think the "Armistice" sword moniker is probably incorrect. I believe the eagle could just as easily carry a laurel branch as an olive branch. As a matter of fact, it looks more like a laurel than an olive leaf to me. I suspect these swords were available at least during the time of the Weimar Republic and the NS Zeit. Opinions?

George
Posted By: Joe S Re: Armistice Sword - 06/02/2005 01:37 PM
I believe I saw that model in an original manufacturer's catalog once, will try to find it and post details. Joe S
Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/02/2005 03:48 PM
Thanks Joe. That would be very helpful if you can find a listing. Probably a Weyersberg or Eickhorn catalog I would think.

George
Posted By: Ace Re: Armistice Sword - 06/03/2005 02:24 AM
Orpo, you have a Paul Weyersberg model Nr.55, an Offizier-Parderkopf-S�bel...neutral f�r alle Waffengattungen. This particular Army model sword has nothing to do with any "armistice"; it was just another pattern offered by Weyersberg.
Posted By: Fred Prinz - FP Re: Armistice Sword - 06/03/2005 03:06 AM
Thank you Ace for clearing up the mystery! Smile That makes a lot of sense inasmuch as other �neutral� type langet decorations were offered - such as Imperial type crossed sabers or cannons (etc.) during NS times as well. FP
Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/03/2005 02:46 PM
Ace,

Thanks for looking up the Nr.55 Weyersberg neutral designation. That is the piece of information I was looking for. It is interesting that the sword is described as a "panther" head as I always thought of this guy on the pommel as a lion. I suppose the manufacturer can describe their "kitty" however they please.

George
Posted By: Swordz Re: Armistice Sword - 06/04/2005 02:15 AM
George:
If I'm not mistaken, I believe the "Panther Head" they refer to is on the guard finial, not the pom.
Still, it's a stone cold beauty with that detailed Lion's Head pommel.
Jax
Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/04/2005 03:42 AM
Thanks Jack. That kitty head had not occurred to me. It does look like a panther rather than a lion. Good call!
Posted By: tau-delt Re: Armistice Sword - 06/08/2005 03:47 PM
Thought I should do some show and tell on my Eickhorn in hopes it might provide some additional input.

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Posted By: tau-delt Re: Armistice Sword - 06/08/2005 03:49 PM
crossguard detail

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Posted By: tau-delt Re: Armistice Sword - 06/08/2005 03:53 PM
Eickhorn trademark that I understand was early 1930 or perhaps a little before.

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Posted By: tau-delt Re: Armistice Sword - 06/08/2005 03:55 PM
blade

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Posted By: tau-delt Re: Armistice Sword - 06/08/2005 04:02 PM
blade 2

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Posted By: tau-delt Re: Armistice Sword - 06/08/2005 04:05 PM
Stem of troddel which I believe is Prussian

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/08/2005 05:50 PM
tau-delt,

Thanks for posting your Eickhorn sword. I notice a couple of things in relationship to my Weyersberg. Your sword has the earlier squirrel within an oval marking and appears to be all brass, about the same time period as mine I suspect. Your blade etching appears to be generic, like mine. Your guard is very similar down to the panther head quillon. Your backstrap is plain and very similar to the eagle head Weyersberg that I posted. This eagle pommel backstrap is also very similar to the WKC style as seen on their Justiz and Strafvollzug swords but is quite different than those on the Eichorn Justiz and Strafvollzug models 1728 and 1763. Entirely different parts utilized by Eickhorn instead of simply using the backstrap from the 1728 and 1763 models.

A beautiful sword, by the way! I agree that your Troddel is Imperial Prussian for a bayonet rather than a sword.

George
Posted By: Fred Prinz - FP Re: Armistice Sword - 06/08/2005 10:57 PM
They are beautiful swords!! Smile Smile

A passing thought. I noticed on tau-delt�s fourth image what looks to me like possibly a stylized Prussian Imperial Eagle etched on the blade. A lot of German Army officers had seen service with the Kaiser in WW I and did not have National Socialist sympathies. Could these officers have been the ones that the swords were intended for as customers?? FP
Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/09/2005 12:46 AM
I agree they are beautiful!
Great looking stuff, guys! Smile
Here is my contribution.


Description: Armistice eagle
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Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/09/2005 12:47 AM
Obverse

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Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/09/2005 12:48 AM
Full shot

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Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/09/2005 12:49 AM
Trademark.
Can anyone date this trademark? Eek

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Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/09/2005 12:51 AM
Weyersberg Artillery
Same Lionhead as ORPO`S sword.

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Posted By: tau-delt Re: Armistice Sword - 06/10/2005 01:52 PM
George..... I think you are right about the Troddel being for a bayonet. It came on the sword and I just left it there. Adding a picture of the bottom......

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/10/2005 03:07 PM
mrfabulous,

I have seen your Weyersberg oval trademark, as well as the very similar shape PAWECO stamp, and I associate it with early pre-war and Weimar Republic period edged weapons.

I find it interesting that your sword also has engraved initials on the reverse langet. It makes me think these swords were normally special ordered with etched blades and extra touches such as monograms.

Here is a shot of the later Weyersberg trademark as is on my sword. Actually, this trademark is on a similar Cavalry sword with the same generic etched blade as on my "Armistice" sword.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/10/2005 03:13 PM
Here is a shot of the Weyersberg Cavalry sword with the etched blade and trademark shown above. Not only are the etched blades on both these swords identical but the backstrap and lion head are identical as well. While the guard is very similar (with a panther head quillon) the eagle and laurel device has been replaced with crossed swords. Both of these swords also have the distinctive engraved brass plug on the top of the pommel that covers the tang button.

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/11/2005 12:31 AM
Here's mine with the closed wing eagle.

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/11/2005 12:37 AM
Different lion head but, same reverse langet, trademark and etch.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/12/2005 02:05 PM
Dale,

Part of the Weyersberg "parts is parts" philosophy. Use the same blade and etch template for a variety of swords. There is really no reason not to make up a run of blades with this etch and use them with various sword hilts as the customers order them. Since Mrfabulous trademark is earlier than ours, it appears this company did that for a long period of time.

tau-delt,

An Imperial Prussian bayonet Troddel for sure. I once bought a bugle that had two bayonet Troddeln (from different companies) attached to the two sling rings. The guy absolutly swore that is the way his dad brought it back. Probably true, but I took them off and put them on bayonets anyway.

Great sword and a seldom seen knot as well!

George
Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/12/2005 05:54 PM
Parts is parts! Here`s a different cavalry by Weyersberg. Big Grin

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Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/12/2005 05:56 PM
Another view

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Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/12/2005 05:59 PM
Another like Dale`s sword.
This is a toughy to find.

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Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/12/2005 06:04 PM
And of course,the coolest Weyersberg. IMO
Any variations of this pattern?

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Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Armistice Sword - 06/12/2005 06:07 PM
Info for those who don`t know, PAWECO is short for PAUL WEYERSBRG CO Razz
Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/13/2005 01:21 AM
Mrfabulous,

This is a cool Weyersberg pattern! A classic example with a beefy spread wing eagle on the langet and a big, hearty lion head pommel with a snarling mouth.

Here is a variation in gilt light metal.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/13/2005 01:25 AM
View of the etched blade. I love this spread wing eagle. It mimics the langet.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/13/2005 01:27 AM
Of course, the blade has all the other bells and whistles as well.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/13/2005 01:30 AM
If you have got the crossed rifles on one side, you have got to have the crossed swords on the other side as well.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/13/2005 01:33 AM
And, if you have a spread wing eagle on the etching, you ought to have one with folded wings too.

Not an "Armistice" sword, but a nice divergence into Weyersberg variations.

George

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Armistice Sword - 06/16/2007 03:25 AM
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