Collectors!

What kind of bayonets do you collect?

So many types and organizations!

Engraved,presentation,etc!

I know many are big in fire bayo's!

I will start with a police and the knot was on it! Thats how vet brought it back! I left it!


There is the brown and black for police!


Army's

Lets see a few!

PVON

Some might have a Tiger or some stag!

Is the bayonet with three rivets blued or blackened?

I have two police.

--dj--Joe

Hi Derjager

Those are 2 nice ones for sure!

Thanks for sharing!

PVON

the 3 rivet was blued and ww1

PVON

How about some engraved bayonets!

PVON

Here's one.

Johnz

John

Its great to see something this nice!

Had just got a email from Pat from France!

He loves the Eickhorn etch,crispness etc!

Told him you are the Eickhorn man!

Told him to post his thoughts he shared with me and hia goodies also!

PVON

Now this was yrs ago but Wayne wrote the book on these engraved bayonets!

Always had some fine stuff!

He has a web site and goes to shows!

He stops by GD for a peek or request sometimes!

Might have some more pics if I can find them!

I tried taking pics at shows for collectors that could not make it!

Nobody seems to do that much anymore!


I wonder whats the hard ones to find! Makers? Condition?

I only have had a few sine I do not know them


Anybody want to tell collectors about etched bayonets!


PVON

police

Better pic

Wish I knew more about them but didn't!

PVON

All kinds to collect!

What do you like and why!

PVON

I like etched bayos.

John

My God! Wow! Very nice!

Double etched beauty! Mr Fabulous and friend hung togeter many yrs! Paul Z

He had this for sale at one time!


PVON

I've collected Feuerwehr bayonets and appropriate accouterments for a good bit of time.

After selling much of my collection to a good friend, I found I couldn't quite part with some of the sawbacks. Some interesting pieces are left in the collection, a Henckels Zwillingswerk, a Carl Meis, a Horstator and a single oval Eickhorn.

Billy

Very nice indeed!

The sawbacks are so nice!

Have had some but now I know why I didn't find more!

They were at your house!

Now you must tell us if some makers show up more than others!

I like Henckels stuff!

Were many of yours found with the knots?


Thanks for sharing!

PVON

You were lucky to find so many knots still on!

Whats the one in middle with emblem?

Thanks

PVON


So nice to see collectors with different tastes in bayonets!

Thanks Paul,

I started with just one minty long Eickhorn with a toned knot and it eventually morphed into about 130-135 examples of every maker mark, distributor, variants, unit marks, etc. Amazing how much room that batch of stuff took up!

As far as makers, you'll often find Eickhorn which is no surprise. Tiger is common too, WKC, Horster too. But you can every so often find a really rare maker mark which will still sell for what a typical example would sell for. I think it was a short Wusthof I scored off Eban that started me on my ridiculous quest to find all those marks. I remember sending in loads and loads of pics and descriptions to Fisher's for their maker mark books.

Here's some more info on the short sawback. These bayonets are usually referred to as Feuerschutzpolizei bayonets so in my mind, they straddle the fence between Feuerwehr and Polizei blades. Typically they're scarce to find but all seem to follow a pattern of unplated KS98 hilt, plain or sawback blade which are usually 20cm, black steel painted KS98 scabbard, copper Polizei sword style grip emblem pinned to the obverse grip plate and either WKC marked or unmarked.

Ron Weinand and Gary Walker show an unmarked example with plain long blade on page 131 of "Clamshells & other German Bayonets". George Wheeler also shows an example on page 121 of "Seitengewehr" that's WKC marked on a short blade that's also a sawback. I believe Tom Johnson shows this style bayonet several times in his original series of "Collecting the Edged Weapons of the 3R".

Here's a picture of the blade.

Here's a shot of the reverse of the frog which came on it. The frog is a late production item of rubberized canvas. Probably impossible to remove without breaking it, I believe it to be original to the piece too.

The knot I have attached to it is not original to the piece and is a Feuerwehr variant with a lighter pink than normally seen along with a different stem. Some of these knots come with cloth straps too, I love the variants of this stuff.

Billy G

I just knew it was a police!

Look at the detail of the eagle!

Now WKC made that blade! Do you think they made emblem also?

Or would they outsource it to other firms?

They are quite impressive to look at!

I bet you can spot things others would miss in details of these pieces!


I could look at stuff all day and pick up something I didn't know!

It could and has taken a life time of observing collectors items and my own!

What a fun hobby!

PVON

P,

I doubt WKC made the emblem, probably outsourced that piece to Overhof or one of the other smalls manufacturers.

It is definitely impressive for a late produced piece but maybe it looks better because there's no spotty plating? The unplated finish is consistent and it's pretty well made, especially the blade. Those sawteeth would really give you a nasty gash if you handle it clumsily too.

Billy

How many bayonets have emblems on them you have!

PVON

I’ve got 24 or so Polizei bayonets with a variety of emblems, this one is the only Feuerwehr related example. I’ve seen fire bayonet with grip emblems for years but never found one I felt was period, before this one.

24!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My god! Can we see any?

Amazing!

PVON

I’ll see what I can dig up.

Collectors

I have a ww1 german bayonet! A pig sticker,

anyone have some of those!

I will find pic

PVON

pic

Sorry I need to find the whole thing!

Always like the grip!

PVON

lets add

2 books here that collectors might like!

PVON

This is something that found itself way to me.

I’ve always loved clamshells.

Obverse

Reverse with presentation. It’s amazing how much work went into this item, especially in 1930-1931, during the height of the Depression and the resultant inflation in Germany at the time.

And the Weyersberg spine maker mark.

Here's my Paul Weyersberg triple etch.

Johnz

Whoa! Thanks for sharing!

Stunning pieces

Billy

Thats a really nice item!

Enhancement is a work of art!

Never saw anything like this item,photos are splendid!

Its got everything a collector would want!

You got me Billy!

Right out of my chair!

Thanks for showing!

PVON

Paul,

Thanks man. This style never did much for me but it grew on me over a few years. I had another shooting prize with the Polizei style hilt and scabbard that was gilted and triple etched and triple marked by Horster. It was of similar quality but I like this Weyersberg better.

John

Very nice dedication, to a mine sweeper unit I think. Nice too that yours has a blue or blackening in the etch, really makes it jump out at the viewer.

John

Yours is stunning also!

Just unreal stuff!


You an Billy just show some of the nicest one of a kind stuff!


I like everything we all show!


PVON

When I vist a friend I try an capture a few pics for collectors!


PVON

Just think of all the stuff hanging on walls for 50 yrs never seen!

Thanks for looking collectors!

PVON

Here is my police shooting prize.

J

John,

I remember this piece, it’s a winner.

John

A beautiful item!

And pictures capture engraving and bayonet very well!


John

Would Eickhorn have done the engraving?

Thanks for sharing!

PVON

My guess is it was jeweler done post-purchase. Definitely cheaper than having Eickhorn do an etch template for it.

I agree with Billy, probably jeweler done. It doesn't look like an etch that Eickhorn would offer.

J

I have to agree!

I wasn't even thinking of a jeweler!

Makes total sense!

PVON

Lets add this police I had!

This one came home with this knot!

It didn't come home alone!

It brought friends!

PVON

Here's something you don't see everyday, a Polizei Seitengewehr from Baden. The pommel is curved over to comply with the Treaty of Versailles requirement of no bayonets that were able to be attached to a rifle.

I've owned these with the short blade (about 17") and the long blade (22" + or - from memory), this is the shorter one with a 3R period maker mark. I've owned it maybe 20 years and it took me almost as long to find the right knot in the right condition.

Here's the maker mark. Although earlier versions of this bayonet sported 3 rivet grips, WKC apparently kept the 3 rivet thing going into the 3R when other makers had gone to 2.

Billy

Thats a honey of a edgeweapon!

That knot is a screamer!

Don't see this stuff!

Thanks for sharing!

PVON

Thanks Paul,

These police pieces as well as the other German state pieces are very interesting to me. There’s a lot of history with them and their evolution. I’ve seen these Baden pieces in both silver and gold, the theory being similar to that on Feuerwehr items, that the gold pieces might indicate higher rank. The Sachsen pieces are also quite interesting.

Regarding the Baden knot, its probably worth most of the value of the bayonet, if not equivalent to it. I’ve seen only 4 that I’m aware of in 20 or so years. Weitze had an unissued example however it was misidentified as a Justiz knot. The colors are similar, I’ll admit, but a Justiz knot more closely resembles a Feuerwehr knot, except that the silver is replaced by gold.

WW2 - S84/98 3°M. by manufacturer (I still don't have 4: DURKOPP, GEBR.HELLER, E.PACK & S. (cul), sgx)
and
WW2 - S24(t)

Welcome Wschmidt

Big thanks for sharing your bayonets!

You have a large selection indeed!

I see a few had some type of knot attached!

You never know whats going to be attached!

So are you just a bayonet collector?


As you see in this thread collectors seem to collect a wide variety!


PVON

Here is a couple more fire police!

PVON

Well we have showed lots of german!

We also have others!

PVON

Police Bayonets!!

Fitzer, that is one nice collection of Police bayonets.
Beautiful.
Ed

Thanks Ed, I've also added a couple more to my collection. Can't resist. PBs are the best!! :-)

Fitzer

A very nice looking group! What kind of makers?

Never can can have too many!


PVON

I’d guess the top one is an Alcoso and the bottom one is a ‘35-‘41 Eickhorn.

Hi Bill and Pvon: from top to bottom: Clemen & Jung, Alcoso, WKC, Horster, Horster (rural), Eickhorn (large double oval), Eickhorn ('35-41').
Recently added: Paul Weyersburg, Ewald Cleef

Looking for: FW Holler, PD Luneschloss, E Pack, Eickhorn (small double) and any others I don't have. :-)

Nice group of makers!

Any long ones in group?

So why did you choose police?

I always liked police stuff!

PVON

To me there's just something 'special' about Police Bayonets. I'm sure others feel the same way about what they collect.
Lots of quality in the mixture of steel, stag grips and leather plus most PBs span two prolific periods in German history. They're also still affordable and undervalued IMO

Fitzer,

A very nice lineup but you’re in desperate need of a clamshell! And about Puma and Carl Julius Krebs? And don’t forget an “over the shoulder” Eick.

I agree with your view on these things, they have a lot of history that overlaps two distinct periods in 20th Century Germany. Most are well made and hold up good to the rigors of time.

...and a PSS Happy you enjoy PBs as much as I do Bill!!

Whats new guys?

End of yr coming!

Anyone add stuff this year?

PVON