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Posted By: JohnZ WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1932 - 10/22/2015 04:36 PM
i find most WKC etches to be pretty bland and boring. The ones you most often find have the Holler pattern 103 and once you have seen one of those, you have pretty well seen them all.

But, this baby is one sweet etch.

It is a short blade, triple etched and stag gripped shooting prize.

A great stag grip, a nice spine etch and the Officer school etch on one side and Shooting Prize 1932 on the other.

Great bayonet, right...

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1934 - 10/22/2015 04:40 PM
Imagine my surprise at finding the same type of WKC shooting prize, only with a date two years later and without the stag grips.

This is the same triple etch as above, same school, but the 1934 date.

How did these two together end up in the Kaschai collection, I wonder. But, I do know how they ended up in the JohnZ collection!

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Posted By: AndyB Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1934 - 10/22/2015 06:17 PM
hello John, why You think its a school etch? thanks.b.r.Andy
Posted By: wotan Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1934 - 10/22/2015 07:07 PM
JohnZ, first my congratulations to this two nice and interesting bayonets. All shooting price bayonets are rare. For me especially the certain trademark is interesting as it now can be dated relatively pricise around a time frame.

It is NO school etch. "Offizier-Verein" means a (private?) association of officers. The mentioned "107" might stand perhaps in a context of a regiment number.

Regards,
Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1934 - 10/22/2015 08:10 PM
Thank you for your comments and clarification of the term 'Verien'....I thought it was an officer school.
Posted By: Jim W Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1932 - 10/22/2015 09:10 PM
you are definitely correct that it is one beautiful piece.
Posted By: seany Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1932 - 10/22/2015 10:20 PM
Wow stunning bayonets John well done
Posted By: Billy G. Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1932 - 10/22/2015 11:47 PM
John,

Beautiful bayonets, in every sense of the word. Their beauty is possibly exceeded by their rarity though, even nicer.

I particularly like the vine & leaf bookends, my etched fire bayonet has them as well. Same spine etching too, really nice special order stuff. Congrats my friend.
Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etch Wilhelm Zimmerman - 10/23/2015 04:04 AM
I also have this triple etched WKC bayonet dedicated to a Wilh Zimmerman. Stag gripped, spine etched and the reverse side has the etch motto In Treue Fest.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etch 103 - Oak Leaves - 10/23/2015 06:16 PM
I can't remember if I had shown these other WKC etches before, so here we go into this thread.

This is a long double etched WKC marked blade. On the obverse, we see the Holler etch pattern 103 and shown on page 235A. The reverse shows a unique spray of oak leaves and can be seen on page 236A.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etch 103 - Inf Regt 41 - 10/23/2015 06:21 PM
Here is a long double etched WKC marked bayonet with the 103 etch from page 235A on the obverse and the 103 etch with a dedication to Inf Regt 41 of Amberg, pg 237.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etch 103 - Jaeger Regt 99 - 10/23/2015 06:27 PM
Here is a long, double etched, stag gripped WKC marked bayonet.

The obverse is a slight variation to the Holler 103 etch and can be seen on page 235B. The reverse is a 103 etch with a dedication to Jaeger Regt 99.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etch 103 Luftwaffe - 10/23/2015 06:32 PM
This is a short blade, single etch WKC marked Luftwaffe service.

Notice that the difference between the regular armed services etch and the Luftwaffe etch is in the centre eagle.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1936 - 03/08/2017 05:30 PM
An SOS pickup (thanks Serge), this is a police type triple etched shooting prize dated 1936.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etches Maker Marks 1932, 1934 and 1936 - 03/08/2017 05:33 PM
Here are the maker marks off the 1932, 1934 and 1936 dated shooting prizes.

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Posted By: Mat J Re: WKC Etches Maker Marks 1932, 1934 and 1936 - 03/15/2017 02:40 AM
John, just fabulous examples. Thanks for sharing all these fine specimens. And congrats on obtaining this well documented shooting prize.
Are you putting an addition on your house to display all these 3rd Reich edged weapons. My gosh, between your 2nd model Lufts and etched bayonets, where do you put them all??

Best wishes,

Mat J
John Z...great looking pieces. On the very first stag gripped piece, it has the metal backed frog with DRP stamped on the back. Does the DRP marking pertain to the Reich's patent office or the postal branch? I have a DRP (#1141) marked bayonet that would just love that frog <<EG>> what are your thoughts on that frog?

Best, Patrick
Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etches Maker Marks 1932, 1934 and 1936 - 04/15/2017 12:33 AM
DRP relates to the patent office, not the post office.

John
Posted By: wotan Re: WKC Etches Maker Marks 1932, 1934 and 1936 - 04/15/2017 02:55 PM
As JohnZ has stated, D.R.P on the (metal part) frog is patent related, DRP on the blade of bajonets (mostly WEYERSBERG or ALCOSO) is postal related.
Postal protection force related frogs do have very special stampings.
Regards,
Thanks John Z and Wotan....those metal backed frogs are like looking for hen's teeth....

Best, Patrick
Posted By: Baz69 Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1932 - 10/24/2018 03:26 PM
Very nice John

Here's one that whilst is slightly different it is another shooting prize bayonet by WKC this one dated 1931, I was wondering what kind of Regt or Company the 104ern Leipzigs were, can't seem to find them on the net at the moment and what does the "ern" mean??anybody got any idea's.

Cheers

Gary

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Posted By: AndyB Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1932 - 10/24/2018 05:05 PM
On first too shooting prices are mostly etched a Saxon Kingdom crown with lower initials of JG teoretically of Kgl. S?chs. 8. Infanterie-Regiment "Prinz Johann Georg" Nr. 107. b.r.Andy
Posted By: wotan Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1932 - 10/24/2018 07:11 PM
Originally Posted by Baz69
Very nice John

Here's one that whilst is slightly different it is another shooting prize bayonet by WKC this one dated 1931, I was wondering what kind of Regt or Company the 104ern Leipzigs were, can't seem to find them on the net at the moment and what does the "ern" mean??anybody got any idea's.

Cheers

Gary


Hello Baz, "-ern" is only a (legit) combination of the full written "Hundertvierern" and just the figure 104 which needs the "ern" as comradely expression for members of the 104th regiment(?) or other unit formation garrisoned at Leipzig.
Very nice bajonet you show us here, thank you, regards,
Posted By: wotan Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1932 - 10/24/2018 07:18 PM
Btw:
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Infanterieregimenter/IR11-R.htm
where you see the 5th AND 8th company of IR 11 has had traditionally the "sponsorship" done by the Kgl.(=royal) Saechs. 5. Infanterie-Regiment "Kronprinz" Nr. 104 (an imperial, former unit).
Regards,
Posted By: Baz69 Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1932 - 10/24/2018 07:36 PM
Wotan

Thank you very much for the explanation, it seems as though both of John's and my bayonet are all from the 11th infantry regiment but just different companies, the link you provided is of great interest and explains everything for me.

Cheers

Gary
Posted By: JohnZ Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1931 - 12/19/2018 08:35 PM
Fresh from Gary's collection to mine.

This is a 1931 dated triple etch shooting prize by WKC. It uses the same mark as found on my 1932 shooting prize.

Thanks, Gary.

John

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Posted By: Mat J Re: WKC Etch Shooting Prize 1932 - 01/02/2019 02:55 AM
Defiantly a pair that beats a full house!! Nice addition to the little collection in The Great White North.

Best wishes,

Mat J
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