I'm not expert on the subject. but you think that the release button was changed, that is, is another bayonet?

Greetings and thanks for your time. ALEX

Hello

I think this bayonet had to be blued. The only RLM 98/05 I know in the white are those with RLM stamped on the back of the pommel, the others stamped RLM on the crossguard, on the flashguard and on the ricasso are blued.
Regards
Alain

Klinge hello, thank you very much for your information. then, this bayonet has the original button? greetings. Alex

I also have a S98/05na "R.L.M.". This example was either made of spare parts after WW1 or went thru a very refined overhaul, as it bears no Imperial markings (or evidence there ever were any). Bayonet was purchased with frog over 30 years ago by a fellow collector:

Hello Alex,
Here are pictures of the press button releases on two 98/05 bayonets. The first one is an unaltered Imperial era sawtooth. The second and third pics are of a Weimar reworked Police issue sawtooth removed bayonet. It was my understanding that many of the Weimar reworked pieces had the press button replaced with a slotted one. Hope this answers your question.

No complaints here on this very nice RLM S9805 bayonet with original release button.

thank you very much everyone for your replies, and very beautiful examples that you have shown here. best regards

The piece could be a depot piece never blued, there is no signs of reworking, but the second screw in grip is not origin or proofed, its real the screw were replaced probably with grips, it could start the piece as aA model with high ears or was transition model.Press button is origin not slotted.

BTW, forgot to mention my example also has a slotted catch button. Both grip screwbolts are Imperial proofed.

Hello
I think if it was a depot piece it would not be stamped RLM. I think the were reworked and stamped RLM at the same time.
Regards
Alain

wonderful bayonet, Klinge. looks great. Then, I can rest assured that is original?

I believe when is not 1920 stamped so its a depot piece, same as Yours has not slotted press button, normally the pieces added with rifles, should have a RLM and number, all these are depot pieces from my point. Majority of them were blued, the blade of the first piece is evidently heavily polished.

Ok, AndyB, I stay lost in this moment ... hahaha
So if you think that the blade is highly polished and is a depot piece, does that mean? I'm no expert and I'm confused. You mean it's a bayonet rebuilt and that it was not originally?

Best regards
ALEX

The lack of bluing, which means? that the previous owner clean? and as I told AndyB, which means to be a piece of deposit?

No the polishing was realised postwar, the piece was probably never blued.
I saw a unblued piece with RLM stamp too, there are more variation of RLM stamps, some on blade, some on pommel and some on crossguard. Is only property stamp of RLM.

ok, thanks, then, this bayonet out like factory, and left without military use?

And this, RLM marking is not good?

Hello

If this bayonet is not stamped "1920" it is because it was not used during the weimar era. This bayonet may be blued when it was stamped RLM. The only RLM stamped 98/05 "in the white" I know are those stamped on the back of the pommel. The blade has been polished. When you push the press stud, is it blued ?
Regards
Alain

I do not know if this blued, not my bayonet, is a friend, if it was not used in the Weimar period, then that, and should take RLM marking?

by the way, which may be its price?

Hello again Klinge. I ask my friend's photos button, this is. and he also told me this: The blade has been polished, but you can still see the original crossgrain.
No traces of blue at all, see photos.

The pommel was heavily cleaned with sandpaper or something that scratched surface, thats not so good, there was probably small rust surface and was not proffesionally removed.

the truth is that it detracts from the bayonet, that value can have this bayonet?

You should look to Ebay, but i would assume about 100-120 Euro.

ask me to pay 370€ + shipping

I just saw some examples, which are recorded as a number is 23, that means it is the time of Weimar. If the bayonet has no number recorded, we can say that?

Nice, I like it!

I think it can not be ture really!

Nice ww1 'butcher bayonet' 98 05 used by earhy luftwaffe RLM mark they sometimes wernt blued I have seen them both ways George Wheeler talks about them in Seitengewher maybe he can weigh in on it he would know timothy

Timothy,

It seems that the RLM at first used un-altered bright finished S98/05 and then utilized blued ones with, or without, any other modifications. I have seen these bayonets Reichs Luft Ministerium property marked on the pommel, the blade, and the crossguard. One will also find Luftwaffe S98/05 that are property marked with the Luftwaffe eagle with L. and S. on either side of it. I don't recall ever seeing one still finished bright with this particular marking now that I think about it. Of course... never say never.

George Wheeler

That's good info Orpo I saw a bright finished 98 05 marked on the blade RLM I think in a shop over here in Missouri I almost bought it at the price $125.00 but it didn't have a scabbard I think they are getting hard to find I rarely see them and come to think of hardely ever much in the past. Didn't know what it meant back then but with good reference like your book, and internet things have changed. Thanks timothy

Hello,

the RLM marked bayontes belongs not to the "early or a hidden Luftwaffe". I often ask who create such kind of storys with any proof or inverstigations... and others believe this.

Informations aobout german organistions are imported. Die "Hidden Luftwaffe" was the DLV (Deutscher Luftspotverband). They ase knifes and daggers but no Bayontes.

After the Luftwaffe was introduced in 1935, it was a Part of the Wehrmacht. Small arms were issued over the Waffenamt, not the RLM.

The RLM or LS marked bayontes belongs to the Sicherungs- und Hilfsdienst (SHD) of the Luftschutz (L - eagle - S means Luftschutz... not "Luftwaffenschule"... a Luftwaffenschule never exist!! another example of the lack of information about German units or organisation)
The Luftschutz was armed in the Beginning of WWII. The SHD was transformed 1942 in the Luftschutzpolizei. They use also old and captured foreign small arms.

Early examples were not blued. The early ones has RLM markings on the top of the pommel or the crossgured.

Blued ones has RLM markings on the crossgurd, the fleshguard (most in combination with a PW stamp on the crossguard = commojn marking for Polizeiwache) or the blade and the LS Marking n the grossguard.

Also the matching frogs to this bayontes were stamped with RLM and LS. The Production of this frogs were in the years 1941 and 1942 (same time as the Luftschutzpolizei was formed). So IMO the main time of getting this equipment was 1941/42.

Regards

Weimer rework blueing and slot in press stud, I have read these were not marked 1920 after 1935 or so. timothy