Gentlemen,

I have had this Police bayonet for a long time and never really noticed the difference in characteristic of this Eick trademark.
I have never seen this particular trademark before, could anyone tell me which era this trademark belongs to ?

The bayo is a cut down Weimar period.

Thanks

About 1932-34

Thanks Houston !

This exact TM is shown in Fisher 7th Edition on page 1014.

The doubling of the outer oval is what makes this mark unique in my opinion.

Fisher attributes it as 1934-45 dated.

John

Hi John,

Thanks for the info but I think Fisher is wrong on this one, the trademark is from a pre-Nazi Weimar Police bayonet, so it has to be prior to 1933.

I've also never seen a doubling of the outer oval trademark on any Eickhorn logo.

the double oval can be found on other dress bayonets ,including the fire type. but , yes very uncommon.
jeff

Jeff,

The double oval Eickhorn is uncommon but still frequently found. However, I'm mostly referring to the DOUBLING of the dual lines that forms the double oval, in my opinion extremelly rare.
Do you have any pics of an identical Eickhorn trademark found on any other edged weapons ?

Thanks

Pat:

I agree with you that Fisher is probably off a few years on this TM.

And, I have not run across this particular TM on an Eickhorn blade before.

John

Here are the one's that we usually see, the Eickhorn double oval logo with the CE marked ( circa 1933-34 ) and the double oval without the CE marked ( circa 1934-35 ).
Other than these maker marked, the double lined oval is a complete mystery to me.

Here are the TM's that I have found on Dress Bayonets. Never seen a double line on a dress bayonet before, but there's a lot of things I haven't seen.

Great TM reference resource!

Is this large oval TM, on a clamshell police bayo', number 5 on your list?

It is a short blade dress bayonet

I think that those trademarks are stamped into the blade rather than acid etched.

If so, that might be a very hard strike with the "double" outer line being the edge of the die itself.

Dave

Pat,

A very interesting Eick logo you've posted. Initially I was inclined to think the double outer oval was like Dave suggested, a double strike, but now I'm not so sure. The two close ovals don't appear to overlap at all. Also note the logo has "x"s instead of "*"s. I'm always skeptical of "new" things but I'm starting to think this is a legit variant.


Barry,

I believe you're right, your clamshell logo looks most like Terry's #5.

This is a TM variation that is pictured in Fisher and attributed to a publication source.

There are several TMs that also have the 'x' instead of the '*' above the word 'Solingen'... double oval, serrated tail, short legged, short eared and cross armed squirrel.

I don't think it is a double strike.

John

exactly Billy,this is very interesting MM.
I also don't think it is a double strike.

No stars,but crosses


Regards

I have looked at it very closely under a magnifying glass and I can surely say that it ain't a double stroke.

I was not saying a double strike but a very hard one that went in deeper and then the edge of the die is the second oval.

Dave it seems to me they both are equally deep.

Pat

In Anthony Carters book (The Sword and knife makers of Germany 1850-2000)shows a TM with double outside lines like yours, but the inter oval also has double lines

He states the one that is similar to yours was on the 1931 catalog "Sabel fur Griechenland". He also states that it also appeared on the front of many other export catalogs.

For those of us that find TM's interesting have noticed many small differences during the manufacturing years of the TR. Its a lot like coin collecting.

Cool, thanks for the info, do you think it would be possible for you to post a pic of that double oval inner circle logo ?

Great thread.

Woaaaaaaaaaaaaa, didn't know that Eickhorn had so many different trademarks, thanks for the pic.

Great thread indeed, always something new.

The picture shows only some, there are more.

interesting, thanks for posting


stingray

Also, note that both Carter and Fisher state that the doubled line TM was found in publications, not on edged weapons.

This example by Patrice would be the first example that most, if not all, of us have seen of this doubled double oval TM on a blade.

Darn it, maybe I should give up my quest to get an example of every Eick TM variation.

John

I have the same double oval on my Royal Bulgarian AF dagger by Eickhorn. Pre WWII. It is either 36 or 37 I can not make out the diference.

My TM appears to be etched, the blade has a blue pannel etch also.

Hi Jim,


When you have a minute, do you think you could post a picture of your trademark ?

Sure Pat.

Here ae a couple of photos I have on file. I will try to take a better photo this afternoon.

There is also a sticky thread on the Bulgarian A/F daggers in the European Edged weapons forum, where there are several examples of the same trademark on 3 examples.

Sorry i do not know how to do the link. Try: http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=89511&page=6

Thank you Jim

It is indeed the same logo and it does puzzle me as to why you cannot find any German edged weapon with that same logo, except those found on non-German blades, were these for export only ??????

BTW, great looking dagger.

I know when it comes to Eickhorn Export goodies they mixed trademarks. I have some export ledgers and 1,000s of pages of Export correspondence .. The pages have two maybe three different trademarks on the same ledger page ...The 20s 30s trademarks can be very tricky to date as they mixed them... They were using what some call the 20s logos into 1936-37 on Export stuff for sure... Regards: Jim

I second Paul, terrific thread. I always love maker mark minutiae.