To clear up some confusion that not all vertical swivel hangers are made the same, as some are typical and some are non typical. There is not a single type that should be accepted as standard.
By request I have posted some photos of my Non standard, but very period hanger for review. Dave Hohaus has given me a better understanding on the Hanger that I own. I am sure he can explain the differences much better than I,,, as I have seen his Swivel hangers at the Max Show.

Also in cluded is a page out Of Tom Johnsons German Dagger photo reference book to also show the similarities.

last one

Agreed Pre RZM many variations exist.
I BTW like yours.
Thanks for sharing.

nice one!

Interesting that it is assumed that these hangers are for the SS especially since many approved SS verticals will show a 1934 date. IMO-more likely that these non RZM verticals are for the NSKK and the brown ones for the SA--since no vertical was ever approved for the SA/NSKK--except the bayonet types for the FHH. Of course if you own some they have to be SS-right?

Are all pre-RZM SS verticals stamped with a 1934? ,,, as I dont have Wittmanns reference in my present location.

Pre-RZM verticals have no dates at all.

I'll be back to this in a couple of days as I need to finish up on the MAX pictures.

Dave

Houston I hear what you are saying and IMHO early nskk's prior to 1936 would have SA, (brouwn) hangers. Post 1936 they would have RZM hangers. Does it not make sense then that these early black ones would be for the SS?

No RZM vertical was ever approved for the NSKK-so--No-and brown belts were never worn by the NSKK officially

Here is my black convertible hanger. It came on an NSKK dagger.

Reverse.

There minor lifting of a flake of leather. Not a tear. Note the exposed rivets.

The weakness of this design is that the clip is narrow and the piece of leather that goes over the top to hold it is very thin. See closeups

This must have been a popular design, at least until they started breaking. We have several shown in this thread: http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=202419#Post202419

Quite a few that turn up are about to break or have been repaired.

Now, back to the subject: Larry's hanger.

We compared his to my three (1 black + 2 brown) and the conclusions I came to:

1. It is NOT a repaired original
2. It is period copy of the original design
3. It has been improved by use of a folded over thicker piece of leather
4. A thin leather covering has been applied to the back of his example for smoothness

So, I think it is a unique well made copy of a pre-RZM convertible hanger. Nice score!

One added point about that design. There is a second, non convertible, version that turns up now and then. Here is a picture of one owned by Vintagetimenow.

You can see that the grip holder is much lower and there is no provision for converting it to 45 degree wear.

Lastly the NSKK vs SS question. My black one, as noted, was on an NSKK dagger. Whether Larry's was on NSKK or SS no one will ever know, but I can assure you the SS did use this design, or at least the non-convertible variation.

Here's mine. A gem of a Gembruch. Aand, solidly attached.

Good hunting