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Hes got half a dozen blades listed now, along with 3 scabbards and various dagger parts.
I mailed him and asked him if hes busting daggers up to simply turn a profit, he said "Yes, I am".
This really ticks me off.
I rarely ever report anything, just not my style.
One time I tried listing a grip I had, no eagle or SA rune.
Ebay pulled it, said even denazified items are still a violation, so he got lucky selling that ravaged SA, no one reported it.
Edited for many insults. Dave
Same problem with ebay, why some people can get past the ebay gestapo and others can't is beyond me. Maybe the guard is on break. I have listed items on ebay with the swaz blanked out and it still got pulled.
The guy, bourmakin, is a member here.
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...=693103934#693103934But, where is the fire on this issue, guys? The pieces that he (and others) part out on eBay and here in our own "For Sale" area are lower level junkers.
What you see are what remains of ill-used, neglected common daggers made by the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. We are not talking about anything even close to historically significant. If he can make a buck and someone else can get a part to spiff up their dagger, why not.
Dave
Do we have this same reaction when some one breaks up some medals to sell them individually?
I am not sure why all the uproar over dagger parts.
Doesn't seem to be much of an uproar, and I hardly see the comparison to parting out a grouping of medals as valid. Groupings are individual components, a dagger is an integral unit.
Now, if you busted up an EK2 to sell the core, frame and ring separately, then that'd be a good comparison.
I personally am against tearing apart a dagger to turn a fast $ on ebay, maybe some are for it, some don't care.
I think it shows that the person doing it is in it primarily for the $, and, like other things, "historically significant" is in the eyes of the beholder - And the majority of these likely were not ill-used or neglected until he got ahold of them.
It may be tempting to think "Oh, theres a gazillion of them out there, a few dozen broken up here and there isn't going to hurt".
Fact is, theres a finite number of these relics out there, and the relative short supply of TR items vs the amount of people who want them is fairly low, which is probably the main reason pricing has spiked so much.I can't say these are "sacred" to me, but I respect them as a collector for what they are, no matter if they are factory fresh, or salty with flaws ,,, And I'll be damned before I ever consider mutilating one just to put a few extra $ in my pocket, I'd expect to be treated as a pariah among other collectors if I did.
I have to agree with Doug on this. To ruin an original dagger just for profit is wrong IMO. The problem is that people like to collect daggers in a plethora of different conditions. I personally don't like rags but they shouldn't be destroyed to build parts pieces? Whats more valuable a Attwood Dagger or and original Solingen assembled dagger from pre-1945. I would hope the original, just on merits of its history. Attwood daggers and all other trumped up put together piece are not truly historic maybe they can tear those apart and sell them? Unfortunately a lot of the trumped up piece are sold as good today anyways. So whats it really matter?? Its still angers me that one would destroy history but there are so many more motives in this hobby than history. Which I learned many many moons back$$$$$$$$$
I see absolutely no problem with what others want to do with there own merchandise. I wouldn't waste my time turning in someone making a living and feeding his family over this! Otherwise he may result to collecting a welfare check which then comes out of all our pockets. Besides NO one likes a SNITCH !
I believe we are keepers of history. We don't own it. It will always be different than collecting a hummel, etc. These represent an era that is gone, never to return. Through slow attrition these historic piece will someday only be in the book's or some big museum. Because I can bet someones mint collectible here will be a rag someday due to improper care after whoever pass on ownership or it is inherited by family. There will probably still be a hacker to rip it apart instead of saving it for what it is, just for profit. I say let him collect welfare! Better than destroying history IMO. There is probably worse people collecting it anyways.
I must say that I am surprised to see acceptance of parting for profit on this forum.
Accept that, why not accept guys who will buff a blade & repaint a scabbard to spiff it up in order to try to get more $$ ?
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We see daggers pretty frequently, on this forum and others, condemned as parts daggers.
Guys say "Its been messed with, not for my collection" ,,, And yet we see some of the same people, or person at least [I got you in mind Dave] having no problem with a guy who hacks TR daggers up for the sole reason of making them ebay friendly.
Apparent contradiction to me, a head on collision of train of thought, perhaps you can clarify.
Edited for insults-Dave
Sorry to see you getting beat up on this Doug. I agree with you completely!
If the guy's doing this to feed his family - let him find another way and leave history alone!!
No beating at all Denny, I welcome exchanges of views, tho being called a snitch was a little rough and out of line.
The fact that views conflict with mine doesn't make them any less valid, just trying to make some sense of this unexpected defense, almost like a coin whizzer being accepted as legit in a coin collecting forum - And anyone who knows anything about coin collectors knows that whizzing ranks as the lowest of the low.
Another thing - This guys a member here ?
Why 0 effort to sell them here then ?
I'd gladly consider paying $200-$300 for a less than perfect, original specimen.
Edited for insults-Dave
I was not beating up on anyone or putting down the seller. If he can make a buck and the buyer has that last part he needs I'am all for that. But I was beating up on ebay, that's all.
Don't get me wrong guys, parting does have its place.
Some daggers, like a classic car or anything else, are wrecked, beyond hope of salvage, and good only for parts.
Edited for insults - Dave
Look, this person is not the only one who does this with collectible merchandise. On Ebay there are all types of good merch being parted out for whatever reason. Also the daggers he's parting out are really not good quality IMO. They're just stuff. They made thousands of these daggers and there's no shortage. I'd never bury MONEY in the dirt! With money hard to come by now days people will do however and whatever it takes to earn some kind of a living. I take it a good percentage of folks on these forums get a fat paycheck and don't see it from the position of some one like myself who has allways been self employed, has payed his dues and then some. It ain't easy out there. Many guys you see doing this on Ebay and other auction sites would really rather do something that pays a wage with some benefits.
Who's to say what is Legit ? He could be some one like me with a Wife who's been ill on and off for many years and the bills will roll in faster than you could ever pay them off !
Seems we have enough of this homeland security thinking breathing down our necks now. I don't want someone spying and ratlling on me because they don't approve of my methods for what I sell or how I present it JMO.
I see what you're saying Ed.
I got 5 kids, a wife, house and vehicles to maintain, bills up to, and past, my neck.
Yeah I get fat paychecks sometimes, other times I'm scraping the bottom of barrel to maintain basic necessities.
Such is life, doesn't mean I'm going to resort to "whatever it takes" to turn a buck.
With a mindset like that, whats to stop someone from going out and clubbing a guy over the head to take his wallet ?
One must assign oneself certain limits, and honor, conviction & dignity do not have price tags on them.
***** Edited for insults. Dave
Why don't we put the blame were it belongs on e-bay for banning the items.Some are not as passionate about TR items as we might be.My sons told me to sell everything as they have no interest.If something happened to me they would sell everything and not worry what would happen to it.
I can remember when buying a dagger 20-30 yrs ago if you didn't like the scabbard or crossguard it would be changed very quick to your desire,long before books to I.D. parts.
Ed, I'm sure we all agree that eBay and the people running it are a bunch of jerks, but blaming them for this guy's actions doesn't really add up. That's kind of like Bernie Madoff blaming his actions on Charles Ponzi.
You're a serious collector and a man I have grown to respect but like Doug, I guess we have to agree to disagree.
That's the original question and answer from Ebay messages:
Dear xraywolf.69,
Yes, that's correct
- burmakin
From: xraywolf.69
To: burmakin
Subject: xraywolf.69 has sent a question about :shipping for item #290402058803, ending on Mar-14-10 11:42:43 PDT - WW2 WWII German Dagger early blade Friedrich Herder A.S
Sent Date: Feb-12-10 22:36:58 PST
Dear burmakin,
You part these out just to be able to sell them on ebay ?
- xraywolf.69
So the statement below "I mailed him and asked him if hes busting daggers up to simply turn a profit, he said "Yes, I am"." is a complete lie.
I don't understand why I cannot upgrade my daggers. All dagger what I'm selling are not perfect, they were part daggers anyway and I don't understand why and for what you are blaming me. I'm not making any money of it. I'll put all these items for sale here.
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Originally posted by Skynyrd:
I'd really like to slap this guy.
Busting up daggers just so he can sell them on ebay.
Hes got half a dozen blades listed now, along with 3 scabbards and various dagger parts.
His completed listings show that he got away with selling a complete SA dagger, which he ripped the emblems out of to make ebay "legal".
Also tried to sell 2 complete daggers with scabbards, but minus the grips, again in an effort to avoid getting his auctions pulled.
What a damn freak, theres a good chance he browses this forum, if so, feel free to speak up and defend this cannibalizing of history to turn a fast $.
I mailed him and asked him if hes busting daggers up to simply turn a profit, he said "Yes, I am".
This really ticks me off, I would ask members here to keep an eye on his auctions, and report anything that even remotely might be a violation of ebay rules.
I rarely ever report anything, just not my style, but I'm making an exception for this joker.
One time I tried listing a grip I had, no eagle or SA rune.
Ebay pulled it, said even denazified items are still a violation, so he got lucky selling that ravaged SA, no one reported it.
I notice this guy ships to Germany also, that might be grounds for getting all his auctions pulled in one fell swoop, so anyone so inclined, fire away.
http://shop.ebay.com/burmakin/...&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340
Complete lie, really ?
So you are not looking to make a profit by busting these up and selling them on ebay ?
What may I ask is your source for all of these dagger pieces, if you get them as parts as you claim ?
Denny I'm not agreeing or disagreeing I'm just saying not everyone looks on these items as we do.At a flea market down here in S.Fl. a guy buys a couple of armbands and right in front of the seller he burns them. The seller looks and say "he bought them ".How about when I went to look at a couple of daggers a vet had .He takes me into the basement removes two destroyed daggers an SA and a Navy, blade's complete rust.Another vet with a takedown ,made a good fishing knife.As a kid I played with German helmets ,I wish I had them today.
Sir, I bought these daggers on auction. All of them were having either incorrect scabbard (late dagger, early scabbard or early blade, late scabbard, late handle), either incorrect handles (bad fit with crossguards, fake eagle or roundel).
I can email you the exact action numbers to your personal email if you would like to. Again: I'm not getting any profits of Ebay.
You could email me or send a private message instead of these insulting posts.
Thanks
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Originally posted by Skynyrd:
Complete lie, really ?
So you are not looking to make a profit by busting these up and selling them on ebay ?
What may I ask is your source for all of these dagger pieces, if you get them as parts as you claim ?
I have edited some posts above for very pointed insults and am disappointed in this thread.
Doug, you are welcome to disagree with selling dagger parts on eBay and elsewhere, but as I have explained in the email you have by now, you are NOT welcome to issue personal insults or fabricate what you think to be another person's motives for doing this.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Dave
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At a flea market down here in S.Fl. a guy buys a couple of armbands and right in front of the seller he burns them.
That is along the same lines of a few people here who buy up Black Americana just to take it off the market.
You know , if you part out a dag to make a profit, not a good story...if you replace a dag with replacement parts to upgrade its look, its not original and not worth much so they are dead dags either way in my eyes. Bottom line, who is going to be the collector of all the beaters??? You wouldnt want them in your collection, theres really no appeal to a beat up dagger. Nothing lasts forever.Anyway there is plenty of "History" still foating around,some find offensive some not. What if all the , you know who's, bought all the dags and destroyed them? Its that persons right in this country. Anyway a beater is a beater is a beater.....nothing you can do to make it new, or original.
I am just wondering if the seller didn't say he was taking daggers apart and just answered "there parts and pieces I've picked up over the time of collecting" if anything would have come of this. ?
this is flailing away at a dead horse,,,the mans property is to do as he wishes or sees fit,,there endeth the lesson,,,whether we agree with his motives/reasons/etc or not...
I'll add this link on the subject. If someone is so worried about busting this stuff up then go to bat and buy the whole lot and feel better about the whole thing. BTW I still own the "ebay jerk" dagger and I even added a screamer 3 piece hanger jobby to it. Also where does everyone think all the parts they buy come from anyway?? Parts are hot items!!!!
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...0093573/m/1320023763 Just a FYI I paid way too much to do the right thing on the ebay jerk dagger but......
Bret Van Sant