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Posted By: benten Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/19/2022 06:46 PM
On the front above are Gotic capitals , I think it is G_B ? Inside is engraved B_G .
May be there is another letter between them.

I can imagine that the local Arabic craftsman did not copy the capitals correct….….for him it are foreign signs in another language…..For us not all of these capitals are to read easily.
Perhaps the German soldier showed him his own ring with these Gotic capitals on it or he draw them on a paper as an example ?

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Posted By: SpitfireVb Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/19/2022 07:22 PM
Nice ring, Benten. We're more used to seeing the famous DAK palm tree and swastika emblem. Maybe, by the end of 1942 (after the German defeat at El Alamein), some members of the DAK didn't want a swastika on their ring. Presumably some of them weren't hardcore Nazis to begin with...
Posted By: polop Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/20/2022 05:54 AM
not fond of the 1942 date, rest of the ring appears to be ok.
Posted By: benten Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/20/2022 12:13 PM
Stephen, yes,I agree.

As a German, you had to join the Wehrmacht. So perhaps not a Nazi. Instead of the DAK emblem, the conservative choice of Old Gotic capitals . I presume these type rings were already finished aside with engraving and niello. The front was left blank for an engraving on request. And the craftsman could deliver the ring within a short time. He just had to engrave the front . May be: "ready while you are waiting" .
Posted By: benten Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/20/2022 12:17 PM
Hello Polop,

Please, could you explain: "not found of the 1942 date"?
Posted By: polop Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/20/2022 03:09 PM
all original dak rings have the date 1941, i have never seen an original one with a 42 date, they have all been fake, but who knows there could be real ones with 42 date on them but i'm not a fan. lets see what gaspare says
Posted By: Mike (aka Byzanti) Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/20/2022 06:15 PM
As Benten says an interesting detail is (what appears to be) niello upon the shanks, sometimes niello was also incorporated into the cartouche design, or upgraded with golden highlights. Agree with his assessment that it’s a ready made campaign blank with a niello set pattern that was ready made for the soldier with personalization. 1941 was the founding of the dak, nothing to do with campaign dates, but yes- 1942 was of course a fighting year and an occupation (at least part of the year) year for the dak in North Africa. I think it’s an interesting piece, my thought is it was a German soldier who had obviously not looked into the crystal ball too deeply as to what would come at the end of 1942 and 43,44 etc. Maybe just wanted it made with the date he was there, as campaign pieces tend to be. We know the official patterned and sold dak rings in catalogs had a classic design but of course a traditional dak 41 date with swas and often palm tree etc.
Posted By: Dave Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/20/2022 06:56 PM
I agree.

This seems a ring from the souk or bazaar that was dated when sold. Quite a bit rarer than the palm tree ones ?
Posted By: Mike (aka Byzanti) Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/20/2022 08:03 PM
Not sure, Dave- it’s a good question. Certainly anything personalized is of course one of a kind, but the higher quality craftsmanship of the palm and swas, with 1941 and dak in gold or niello is more desirable/valuable in my book. I’d agree a legit campaign piece (assuming that’s what we are looking at) would be rarer, at least in the making, but that’s just a guess. The quality, materials, higher degree of authenticity, and of course- the swas- make those 1941 rings we all know and appreciate the standard, in my opinion.
Posted By: polop Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/21/2022 05:29 AM
not a ring that i would want, i posted a 42 dak ring on here years ago, and it was commdend

as a fake simply because it had the wrong date on it. if we accept this ring as real, then we must consider that there could be iron crosses with a 1938 date on them. just my thoughts
Posted By: benten Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/22/2022 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by polop
not a ring that i would want, i posted a 42 dak ring on here years ago, and it was commdend

as a fake simply because it had the wrong date on it. if we accept this ring as real, then we must consider that there could be iron crosses with a 1938 date on them. just my thoughts


I've searched for your DAK ring 1942 , but I didn't find it. Please, could you post it?

Thanks in advance
Posted By: polop Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/25/2022 06:03 AM
[img]http://present from my wife[/img]

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Posted By: benten Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 06/25/2022 10:02 AM
Thank you for posting this ring.
Posted By: Gaspare Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 07/20/2022 03:47 PM
weird ring Benten.. The band itself is fine and wartime prob even from 41 etc.. The sides are classic design and the 'T content [either 800 or 900] mark although worn looks fine too.

But I just don't get the GB on front [in old english] and then a BG on inside! The 42 is problematic. The no Swastika is fine..

I have a series of photos where they are displaying and selling DAK rings out of what looks like a bombed out storefront. Some the front [cartouche] are blank and would have been embellished/carved/engraved right then when bought...

An interesting ring and worth keeping in the collection in my opinion....
Posted By: benten Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 07/22/2022 07:18 AM
Thanks for your reply G.

The initials are switched one time ; firtst name and last name . Perhaps the owner wanted just a little variation and not two times the same.
Posted By: Gaspare Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 07/22/2022 05:03 PM
You know Benten,,,,the B G on the inside is made with the 'embellishment' tool. Usually used around the cartouche and other places.. Its unique enough to hold on to.. Interesting piece..
Posted By: benten Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 07/25/2022 11:58 AM
Yes indeed, here an example of this wild simple embellishment engraving on the front of the ring.

First pic is from the item ring here above.
Second pic is from a little dak ring front engraving. I posted this ring some time ago.

Both have the same type of handling.

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Posted By: benten Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 07/30/2022 03:54 PM
Gaspare, Stephen,
About the engraving techinique, I post here an old Tuareg ring from Africa ( Lybia, Marocco, Algeria).

Often one sees that a straight thin line is cut in one time.
Here the thin outside frontlines and inside marks, made the tool a straight pearled line by a special technique of very little moves.

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Posted By: Gaspare Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 07/31/2022 10:48 PM
it all depends on the jeweler working on it. Some of the old timers have tools they made from their younger years [30 yrs old etc.]... During the 3rd reich era you have guys that made their own tools and some that were able to buy them...

One time a jeweler was showing my how he was going to make a line. I thought he was going to take out a graving point. He had a wheel tool!
_ Another time the zig /zag marks we see on the DAK wheels [especially around the cartouche] I saw a saw a stamping tool that had the design and another tool that did the same thing but was a half round wheel that he kind of like rolled part of the design!
Posted By: benten Re: Dakring 1942 without Swastica - 08/01/2022 05:34 PM
Stephen, thanks for the thumb.

Gaspare, thanks for your good information !
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