Sorry if I bringing up an old discussion...

What makers have you seen (and I mean on real knives), that has the RZM-mark on the obverse ricasso? Transitional or RZM. I guess Evertz and Ritter is the most common ones. Besides them, I have an old beater thats made by Wusthof, wich has the Wusthof maker mark on the reverse and the Wusthof RZM and date on the obverse (and to my knowledge, its a real one).
What about you?

Just bringing this back to the top because this is an interesting topic and one that doesn't seem to have been discussed alot on this forum. There are a few threads that mention RZM marked obverse blades but I don't think there were any pics, and a list hasn't been made. Could members who have these perhaps post pics? I hope we will get some info from those well versed in the subject, HJ enthusiasts who have large collections, dealers etc. Unfortunately, I don't have any myself, but it is a subject that I'm interested in reading about.

Regards

Russell

Hello, Ruski, here you go, A Evertz! Regards, Leipzig

Thanks Leipzig for making a start!

I understand there was an order that details the change regarding placement of the RZM mark on the obverse of HJ's? Does anyone have a copy of this order that could also be posted?

Regards

Russell

Yahooo! Finally, somebody! Thank you, Ruski and Leipzig!

HJ-collector, can you post a pic of your Wusthof?

I've seen various pics of M7/2's but they have been repros.

From an earlier thread Ron W has a Kuno Ritter with M7/3 1936 on the obverse and the trademark and motto on the reverse - can you post a pic Ron?

Regards

Russell

As I said, it really is a beater. I have sold it since I wrote the previous post, but I managed to find some pics of it anyway. Sorry about the bad picture quality, hope its somewhat visible.

The obverse, with RZM:

Reverse, makers mark:

Interesting, only a couple of makers seemed to do this. Here are another W�sthof and an Arthur Everts variation.

Best greetings,

Herman

Arthur Everts variation

Nice knife, Herr Mann. I guess your Wusthof has the makers mark on the reverse too?

Herman, it looks like that second knife is marked M7/13 for Schuttelhofer, or is it a poorly struck M7/19 for Wusthof? Do either of your knives have any other markings?

Regards

Russell

HJ-Collector,

yes, it has the mark on the reverse (see picture)

Russell,

It's a poorly struck 19.

Best greetings,

Herman

So we have:

M7/3 Kuno Ritter
M7/19 Ed Wusthof
M7/85 Arthur Evertz

Is that it?

Dig out your HJ's guys - there must be more than this!

Regards

Russell

I have a rzm marked and a maker marked with the dedication.

maker marked

maker marked 2

hj knife

hj 3

hj 4

Thanks for the reply G24T, you have a couple of nice HJ knives there, an early maker marked Christians with motto, and a later RZM marked Max Weyersberg. Most of the knives, if they had an RZM mark, were marked with this on the reverse of the blade, as yours is. HJ-Collector and I are hoping to find out which knives had the RZM marked on the front, or obverse of the blade/ricasso, and judging by the number of views, and few responses so far, it seems there were not too many, or the topic is not lighting anyone's fire!. Thanks very much for your reply and pics. If you see one of these in your travels, please come back and post it!

Regards

Russell

Heres a few that I have. ED W�STHOF RZM M7/19 1941

MM on other side.

KLAAS RZM M7/37 1938

MM

WILH. WELTERSBACH RZM M.7/22 1936 ( blades been highly buffed out)

MM.

Raymond, thanks for showing your HJ's and adding to the thread - great looking knives!

This is what we have so far:

RZM M7/3 Kuno Ritter (no pic)
RZM M7/19 1939 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM ges gesch
RZM M7/19 1940 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM ges gesch
RZM M7/19 1941 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM ges gesch
RZM M.7/22 1936 (Wilh Weltersbach) motto, on reverse MM ges gesch
RZM M7/37 1938 (Robt Klaas) motto, on reverse MM
RZM M7/85 (Arthur Evertz)
RZM M7/85 (Arthur Evertz) MM

Let's see some more!

Regards

Russell

Did we say Spitzer, transitional?

I only have one..Mint..with motto,
M7/10,1938..J A Henckels.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

Seiler
Could you show a picture of it?

Would if I could but can,t.
Seiler (Yank in UK)

Thats ok, we believe you

Thanks for mentioning it, anyway.

Here is my 1940 W�sthof

Reverse.

another one , looks to read m7/67 1937

extra pic

Wanna wake up this thread and show you this Gustav C. Spitzer-made Fahrtenmesser der Hitlerjugend, (manufactured in 1938 ?).
Rivets and hilt are magnetic.

From 1939 on the blade�s were marked with the year of production and were made of zinc, am I right ?


Rgds.,

R.

pic 2

pic 3:

pic 4:

pic 5:

Reibert, the earliest dated knife with a zinc hilt seen so far is 1938 with the exception of Grafrath and Grawiso which appear to have all of their blades marked 1936.

See this thread regarding dated knives with zinc hilts. http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...7101702/m/1610072345


This is what we have so far:

RZM M7/3 Kuno Ritter (no pic)
RZM M7/10 1938 (J A Henckels), motto (no pic)
RZM M7/19 1939 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM ges gesch
RZM M7/19 1940 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM ges gesch
RZM M7/19 1941 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM ges gesch
RZM M.7/22 1936 (Wilh Weltersbach) motto, on reverse MM ges gesch
RZM M7/37 1938 (Robt Klaas) motto, on reverse MM
RZM M7/67 (Gottlieb Hammesfahr)
RZM M7/80 (Gustav C. Spitzer)
RZM M7/85 (Arthur Evertz)
RZM M7/85 (Arthur Evertz) MM

Let's see some more!

Regards

Russ

Good overview, Russ!

Here are a few to add:

- Gotlied Hammesfahr 1939
- Robert Klaas 1936

Best greetings,

Herman

2

3

4

Great examples Herman - thanks!

If you have an HJ knife with the RZM mark on the obverse, please show it here, with pics of all marks and motto, if any.

This is what we have so far:

RZM M7/3 Kuno Ritter (no pic)
RZM M7/10 1938 (J A Henckels), motto (no pic)
RZM M7/19 1939 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM Ges Gesch
RZM M7/19 1940 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM Ges Gesch
RZM M7/19 1941 (Ed Wusthof), on reverse MM Ges Gesch
RZM M.7/22 1936 (Wilh Weltersbach) motto, on reverse MM Ges Gesch
RZM M7/37 1936 (Robt Klaas) motto, on reverse MM
RZM M7/37 1938 (Robt Klaas) motto, on reverse MM
RZM M7/67 1937 (Gottlieb Hammesfahr) motto
RZM M.7/67 1939 (Gottlieb Hammesfahr) on reverse MM Ges Gesch
RZM M7/80 (Gustav C. Spitzer)
RZM M7/85 (Arthur Evertz)
RZM M7/85 (Arthur Evertz) MM

Let's see some more!

Regards

Russ

Few days ago Mr Hohaus showed a RZM M7/67/38 with motto