John, this is a very nice collection, but the first one is incredibly mint.
Congrats
Stingray
pretty incredible collection john from Navals to HJs,,You are the Eickhorn go to guy!! Now i know where to go for advice. Nice collection again!! best regards larry
Thanks, guys, I appreciate your comments.
Now, we go into the Eickhorn double oval world.
When you look across the early blades that Eickhorn produced, you will see many many different versions of the double oval TM.
Does it have the C.E. under the squirrel or not?
Is it a smooth tail or a serrated tail? If serrated, does it have one, two or three serrations?
Is it a straight arm, bent arm or crossed arm squirrel?
Does the squirrel have short ears or long ears? Ears close together or spread apart?
Does the word 'Solingen' have a dot, an 'x', a five sided star or an asterisk '*' above the letters 'S' and 'N'?
Is it a large mark or a small mark?
Look across at your early HJs, KS98s of all strips, police bayos, SAs, NSKKs, Hunting and Forestries and you will wee many of these variations in the TM.
First up in the double ovals is what I think may very well be a smooth tail (hard to tell it's pretty faded.. and I ask that you tell me what you think). This has the bent arm squirrel with the ears close together and 'x' above 'Solingen'.
John,
Your threads like this are always an education in themselves as well as being very enjoyable to look at.
That is a super collection of Eickhorn HJ's, John!
Very impressive!
And congratulations with finding all these variants!
Best greetings,
Herman
Thanks, again, guys.
Herman, you of all people know how many more variants there are out there, don't you?
Right now, I am waiting to pick up one from Paul Hogle next week and am in the bidding process on another. When you look at all of the potential combinations of the double oval variations, it boggles the mind.
John
Nice photography as always John. That's a couple of very nicely conditioned double ovals, now I've got to look to see which one my example is.
I beleive Eickhorn knew what they were doing with all these variations, because with them being a mass producer, IMO I think this was away for them to keep track of production pieces at various times. Its always one small variation and then a big production run. and again another variation and another big run. These are just thoughts and not facts but would make sense in large production runs. Larry
John, this is a great educational thread on Eickhorn trade marks, your knifes are real nice condition too
Best Mac 66
Vintage:
The one on the right is one that I have, but I haven't seen a laughing squirrel mark before...
Anytime that you wish to find a new home for the laughing boy there, give me a shout.
Beauties and in fantastic shape, too.
John
Thanks, John,
We appreciate your collection and your willingness to show it to us. The condition of these knives is fantastic.
The HJ were really boy scouts and tended to use and sharpen their knives, so finding mint ones is very hard.
Dave
Thanks, John,
We appreciate your collection and your willingness to show it to us. The condition of these knives is fantastic.
The HJ were really boy scouts and tended to use and sharpen their knives, so finding mint ones is very hard.
Dave
Great analysing of the Eickhorn double oval stamp, John! Thanks a lot!
I have a couple additions to make:
- Some minor differences are in my opinion only due to the wear of the marking stamp: certain variations in "*" 's and "x"'s and squirrels with or without an eye.
See the added picture: one of the "*" became half a "x"
Another variation is the presence or not of the "Ges. Geschutzt" marking.
See the variation without hereunder:
Most of the marks are stamped but there is also an etched variation -it could have been the solluton to avoid the stamp wear-.
The etched variation was alredy showed, but here is another one:
Eickhorn was also one of the few producers of an early version
plated blade HJ knife.
With a double oval mark!
Best greetings!
Herman
Hermann:
I knew that I could cont on you to show some new and rare variations.
I still think that the 'x' and the '*' are two different marks used by Eickhorn, like the 5 and the 6 pointed stars.
I didn't realize that they produced a plated blade.. wow!
Thanks for adding to this thread, Hermann and Vintagetime.
John
You are all great knives in superb conditions.
With a wide variety of markings, congratulations for successfully bring them together
What makes the collection of interest is found Eickhorn always marked it does not!
Jul
A question for you HJ afficiandos out there:
Is there a stamped and an etched version of the transitional Eickhorn TM?
John
WOW! Thats nice. Who wouldn't want this in their collection! Thanks for always sharing your fantastic collection.
That Eickhorn 1937 version is very touch to find!
Congratulations, John, with another great addition to your most impressive Eickhorn collection!
Best regards,
Herman
John Congrats, a very nice 37 dated Transitional Eickhorn into your great collection!!!
I just bought a very similar Transitional Eickhorn hj knife with no date on the ricasso with motto & small daimond insignia so i guess mine dates from 35-36?
Regards Mac 66.
Yes,that's some collection John.
Who would have thought,that so many variations one company had,unbelievable
Congrats
Stingray
I have a transitional Eick with no date and no motto.
And, the earliest transitional dated one is this 1937 date.
John
John,
As always, the best!
Can't thank you enough for posting and sharing these gems!
W~
And, here are comparisons of the two maker marks, the bent arem and the straight arm.
The bent arm knife is shorter and differently shaped, maybe sharpened and cut down a bit?
John
Happy to contribute to your wonderfull - probably the most advanced in the world! - Eickhorn HJ collection, John!
Best regards,
Herman
Very nice knife John,congrats
John,
Congrats, A very nice 1938 dated transitional Eickhorn hj with a terrific motto & a great addition to your vast Eickhorn hj collection.
Regards Mac 66.
Well done, John!
These mottoed Eickhorn 1938 HJ-knifes are very touch to find and certainly in this condition!
Best regards,
Herman
John,
Congrats Terrific upgrade from your other single oval Eick hj
Single oval trademark is a really hard one to find in any condition imo.
Packman must have some Top Contacts these days
Regards Mac 66.
Remarkable thread. A great learning experience.
--dj--Joe
Thanks to all. I still have a few to find.
I would like to thank the many people who have helped me find these great varieties: Paul, Tom K, DD, the two Big Toms, Ivan, and Herman. If I have forgotten anyone, sorry.
John
[quote=JohnZ]Thanks to all. I still have a few to find.
John,
What ones are you still to find ?
Mac 66.
I have a singel oval Eickhorn hj knife, isn't the singel oval a pre 1933 makers mark by Eickorn?
/Fredrik
hello, my contribution:
Very unusual (and rare) indeed, John!
That's what makes Eickhorn HJ's so interesting to collect in my opinion.
Thx for posting it here.
Herman
Very interesting find John !
I have never ever seen an early thin blade Eickhorn hj with only this later RZM stamp on the blade, just goes to show we have not seen everything yet .
Regards Mac 66.
I agree, very rare indeed.!
So far I have seen only 3 versions/makers of the early, no-ricasso RZM marked HJ-knife: Anton Wingen Jr, Edouard Gembruch and Carl Eickhorn!
Well done, John!
Best regards,
Herman
Here are my two single oval marks and a highlight of where to look for the differences.
John
Hi John,
Now this is really an wonderful revelation!
That second single oval HJ you just found: I have never seen one before!
Thank you very much for posting it here and congratulations!
Best regards,
Herman
John
Even though both knives are from the same time frame there are some differences in the mark, you certainly have a good eye for the nuances of these particular marks, good catch.
Gary
Here's mine:
Dave, that is the one you find when you see a single oval HJ, albeit single ovals are very rare and hard to find. But, recently, I have seen 3 - 4 of these for sale here and on dealer sites.
Ivan (stingray) has one right here on GDC.
I think of this as the Type 1 Single Oval. The other one, which I actually purchased from Tom Wittmann, is what I call the Type 2 Single Oval.
The Type 2 is the first and only one I have seen.
John
John,
I got that many years ago because I like odd things. The scabbard is anodized rather than painted and it has a dedication on the spine.
Dave
Good eye for Trademarks John, its a new one for me as well !
Dave, lets see more of your early Eickhorn hj with dedication.
Regards Mac 66
Here is the dedication
The dedication is really strange when you think about it:
1. It is in English
2. It is an HJ knife presented to a Sturmfuhrer.
Was the Knife Georg Adolph's and given to Erik Thomas?
The dedication is really strange when you think about it:
1. It is in English
2. It is an HJ knife presented to a Sturmfuhrer.
Was the Knife Georg Adolph's and given to Erik Thomas?
Exactly my thoughts as well Dave.
Thats a head scrather alright. Maybe Erik Thomas had been a english teacher and Georg Adolph had been a student and had the dedication put in english.
A very nice display of Squirrels.
Thoughts on the english dedication - a German dedicating the blade to either a British or American officer.
--dj--Joe