Hi guys , is there any way of dating this clemen and jung by its TM ?
any other red flags you can notice , thanks for your help
Will.

Clemen & Jung often double marked their blades. By any chance, is there a "Z" on the obverse?

I don't believe so , just been sent quite a few pics of the blade and i cant see one , i know what you mean though the clemen Z with dots was an early mark and then a shield etc but this is just the plain "clemen and jung solingen" mark . i will have a closer look through the pics and see if i missed something ,
Will.

no second mark apparently , I took the plunge on it, my first 2nd luft love the grip colour hope i did ok with it.

Will, This dagger is fitted like you would expect an early C&J to be with their unique hand enhanced chest on the bird! These early Pack generic fittings date this one in the first year or two of production, (37-38). The only non typical feature on this piece is the grip wire. C&J had a unique very fine wire that was triple wound in a very "busy looking" way only used by them. So not sure how it ended up with this course double strand.. if I were you I would look very closely for the Z shield on the opposite side of the blade from the maker name hidden way up under the swaz.. be surprised if its not there! Best, Kevin.

Thanks Kevin , it will be with me in the morning i too am keen to have a proper look as all the single tm examples iv'e seen have the z in shield logo not the plain wording alone , need to have a look at that C&J wire .
regards
Will.

Hi Will.
Here are a same logos at the blade of my army dagger by C&J.
Best,
Oleg.

Sweet Oleg ! i like that cross on the tang , its not present on the Luft ! any ideas as to what it represents ?
Will.

@JonesCollectable, the "cross in a quadrat" is the makermark of the drop forger who did produce the blade. Another one which comes to my mind is the prominent "CAH" (interlaced), when I remember right stands for the drop forge of Carl August Hartkopf, which can be found often on EICKHORN marked blades (as Hartkopf has been a relative of the Eickhorn family).
The "cross in the quadrat" can be found on blades of several different makers, one of them is also HÖLLER.
Regards,