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Posted By: stingray Pack navy dagger - 07/07/2012 10:34 PM
Hi guys
Finally i found this dagger for my collection after years of looking.
In hands is even better.

Stingray

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Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/07/2012 10:36 PM
more pic.

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/07/2012 11:04 PM
Congratulations, Stingray.

That is one maker mark that you just don't see on Navies.

And, the condition looks superb.

Well done, my friend.

John
Posted By: Pitbull63 Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/07/2012 11:11 PM
Ivan,

Beautiful Navy. Great addition to your already fabulous pack collection.

It looks to be in excellent condition.

Great job.

Rich
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/08/2012 02:23 AM
Ivan congratulations on your new navy what a rare beautiful dagger welcome to the Pack navy club I only know a handful of guys who can say they are members.
Posted By: dr73 Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/08/2012 04:58 AM
What a rare piece and in great condition too! This is a dagger missing from most navy collections. Congretulations and thanks for sharing.

Danny
Posted By: Ronald Weinand Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/08/2012 05:30 AM
Nice job, they are tough
Posted By: oli1970 Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/08/2012 11:13 AM
really nice dagger in good condition, congratulation..
Posted By: Billy G. Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/08/2012 12:16 PM
Ivan,

I agree, the condition is superb but I would say the maker's rarity trumps even that. Really great looking dagger, something I'm sure you waited countless years for. Well done!
Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/08/2012 04:05 PM
Thanks gentlemans
When i received the pictures from the guy i bought it,i was so excited that I had to sell some of my etched bayos to raise the money for this baby.
But who would miss this opportunity grin


Stingray
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/08/2012 06:21 PM
Well, Ivan, your gain turned out to be mine as well. wink

John
Posted By: lakesidetrader Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/19/2012 03:18 PM
Congrats my friend!!
You should change your avatar to Packman!! grin
Is the blade plated?
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/19/2012 11:04 PM

That’s a great idea the little Pack Man guy! For an avatar I cam make you one just say the word!
Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/20/2012 02:07 AM
Thanks guys,i will think about it grin grin

Paul,the blade is not plated,it's polished.

Regards
Stingray or Packman grin
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/20/2012 03:55 AM
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Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/20/2012 04:12 AM
Looks just like the little Packer.. er, I mean Packman.

John
Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/20/2012 04:49 AM
Tom,any other to choose from? grin
Posted By: lakesidetrader Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/20/2012 02:34 PM
Ivan that's really interesting a nonplated blade on a Navy. Never seen that before. I learned something here today. smile
Congrats again.
BTW never trust a guy from Karnak! grin
Posted By: Herman V. (aka Herr Mann) Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/20/2012 03:22 PM
What a great addition to your Pack collection, Ivan, congratulations!

Also, I am very happy to see that "double wired" grip. Exact the same as mine!
Tom Whitmann writes in his book about a triple wired Pack grip... which I found very odd, I must say...

Your new Pack dagger has all the unique viewable Pack Kriegsmarine features! How about the runners in your hammered scabbard?

Best regards,

Herman

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Posted By: dr73 Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/20/2012 06:49 PM
Wow! That's a beautiful Pack you got there Herman. Congretulations!

Danny
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/20/2012 08:53 PM
Another nice Pack Navy - Nothing wrong with a triple wire wrap on a Pack Navy I know of several nice examples
with this feature in fact I thought they all had it till these examples were posted
Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/21/2012 01:02 AM
Herman,that's a super nice dagger,congrats.
Is the blade plated or polished?
You asked about the scabbard runners,so here is a picture.


Regards

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Posted By: Herman V. (aka Herr Mann) Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/21/2012 10:02 AM
Thank you for the nice comments on my dagger, guys!

Hi Ivan,

Blade is polished and runners are metalic, all just the same like yours and very typical/unique for Pack.

Hey Tom,

If some of these Pack triple wire grips could be showed, that would be very interesting for the topic.

Best regards,

Herman
Posted By: Herman V. (aka Herr Mann) Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/21/2012 10:14 AM
Hello Ivan,

Thanks to you, I just found out about another typical Pack feature: the bal on my scabbard also has a number stamped in it... and I never noticed it in all those years! smile

Best regards,

Herman
Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/21/2012 02:42 PM
Herman what number you got there?
I have #18, DD Harris dagger is stamped with #29.
The guy I bought from him my dagger,has one more Pack with #10.

Tom(WW2-Collector),can you show us your dagger?

Here is one more picture with #18 stamped on the release button.

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Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/21/2012 03:06 PM
Here is mine triple wire wrapped grip – metal runners – numbered - The other example I know of belongs to DD Harris it’s a beautiful hammered scabbard example. I don’t remember the number on mine it’s locked up at the bank at the moment. The portepee tie is the rare worm pile variation.













Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/22/2012 04:31 PM
Tom yours dagger is absolutely beautiful with amazing patina on pommel.



Regards
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/22/2012 05:20 PM
Ivan Thank You - I believe what you see are possibly remnants of a previous cleaning? Not by myself of course. Although not evident in the pictures the grip has a glassy look to it.
Posted By: Herman V. (aka Herr Mann) Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/22/2012 07:17 PM
Thank you for posting your Kriegsmarine Pack dagger, Tom, it is a beauty for sure and the triple grip wire is indeed very nicely applied, much better than the one shown in Wittmann's Navy book in my opinion.

The stamp on the ball of the scabbard of my dagger is a "10" or it could also be "40". Need to take an extra picture soon.

This is a very interesting topic!

Best regards,

Herman
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/22/2012 08:52 PM
Herman Thank You interesting story – This is the dagger pictured in Wittmanns navy book the previous owner had Tom straighten the wire up after the pictures were taken frown
Posted By: Herman V. (aka Herr Mann) Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/23/2012 02:52 PM
Hello Tom,

Aha, it is your dagger in the Wittmann book! That is a nice bonus for the day you want to sell wink Smart move!

Well, the grip wire was done very professionaly!

Personaly, I never remove any patina, but would remove these remains of cleaning product on your dagger: with a wooden toothpick and a dry soft teethbrush, all of it would be easely gone if you take the time to do it.

Next picture shows the "10" on the ball of my dagger's scabbard.

The blade is polished, not plated as show in the second picture.

Best regards,

Herman

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Posted By: Kevin (heers68) Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/23/2012 03:50 PM
Great Pack Navies here guys! I an jealous!! Kevin.
Posted By: A J Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/23/2012 06:25 PM
Stunning daggers guys I have always liked that Pack logo had it on Armies and Luftwaffe but not on a Navy
Posted By: HenrikKH Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/29/2012 09:53 PM

Wow, I did know there was only a few of these out there :-)

Mine has # "16" on the ball and metal-scabbard-runners.

And it has polished blade and hammered scabbard.

What is the highest number known?

Best regards,

Henrik
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/30/2012 12:56 AM
Can we see some pictures of yours? Seems the lightning bolt variety may be rarer then the Hammered?

Originally Posted By: HenrikKH

Wow, I did know there was only a few of these out there :-)

Mine has # "16" on the ball and metal-scabbard-runners.

And it has polished blade and hammered scabbard.

What is the highest number known?

Best regards,

Henrik
Posted By: HenrikKH Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/30/2012 08:50 PM
Here we go.

Henrik

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Posted By: Herman V. (aka Herr Mann) Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/30/2012 09:25 PM
That is another great Kriegsmarine dagger by Pack, Henrik!

It has all the typical Pack features and... the double wired grip. Can I conclude that the triple wired grip is rather unusual or can we see some other examples with this characteristic ?

When seeing this great topic, one might wonder if this dagger is really so rare... blush

Best regards,

Herman
Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 07/30/2012 10:57 PM
Thanks Henrik,that's a twin of my dagger,congrats
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 08/01/2012 12:22 AM
Henrik beautiful pack Navy we should talk about a trade I must have something you need?
Herman the only other example I know with the triple grip wire is owned by DD Harris Seems Pack used a triple wire on allot of different blades.
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 08/03/2012 02:08 AM
Interesting if you look in the Pack catalog its shows the navy dagger with a triple grip wire. I have been studying the wire configuration on some pack swords and the catalog is an accurate representation of the wire configuration on the grips it shows two grip wires on some swords and 3 on others amazing that this detail is evident and in most cases correlates correctly to the actual production sword.
Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/09/2014 07:55 PM
Hey guys
I was lucky to found one more piece to my collection.
It is stamped with number lucky 13 grin

Regards

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Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/09/2014 07:57 PM
and here are together

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Posted By: Baz69 Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/10/2014 01:18 PM
Ivan, another great addition to your already wonderful collection, I doubt it can get much better than 2 pack's.

Gary
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/10/2014 02:06 PM
Ivan what a great looking piece the condition is fantastic. Congratulations on a super find.
Posted By: Kevin (heers68) Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/10/2014 02:57 PM
WOW Ivan, another one..Well done man! Kevin.
Posted By: JohnZ Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/10/2014 05:14 PM
Ivan;

How many Packs does one man need?

Now, I could understand your obsession if it were an Eickhorn wink

Way to go here... these navies are beauties.

John
Posted By: Ed Martin Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/10/2014 05:38 PM
Ivan great looking Navy's
Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/10/2014 10:28 PM
Thanks guys for kind words.
It may sound crazy, but I'm probably PACKaddic grin

Regards
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/11/2014 12:55 AM
Probally...... grin
Posted By: Billy G. Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/12/2014 03:30 AM
One Pack Navy is, in itself, something to behold. Two Pack Navies in the collection of the same guy is astounding. Leave some for the rest of us, will ya? Well done my friend!
Posted By: Dave Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/13/2014 01:13 AM
If you are really dedicated to finding great items like this, it isn't astounding. It's the result of a lot of hard work, and a little luck.

Great catches, Ivan!

Best regards,
Dave
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/13/2014 02:41 AM
Originally Posted By: stingray
Thanks guys for kind words.
It may sound crazy, but I'm probably PACKaddic grin

Regards


and your making it look they are laying around everywhere.
Congrats !
Serge
Posted By: stingray Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/14/2014 12:32 AM
Thanks guys smile
Posted By: Flyingdutchman Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/14/2014 05:07 PM
Nice and rare daggers. Even in my collection of Navies I don't have any from this maker. :-(
I've seen a few daggers, so believe me they're hard to find.

Congratulations, Gentlemen.

Best;
Hermann
Posted By: Ronald Weinand Re: Pack navy dagger - 02/16/2014 07:49 AM
Good find
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