It looks like the 11 days of posts are lost, so I will repost my Eickhorn Kriegsmarine collection.

First up is a 1st Navy with the double oval serrated tail TM. It is a plain blade, lightning bolt scabbard version with Kreigsmarine depot stamping on the blade.

This is a double oval serrated tail TM on an etched blade with a lightning bolt scabbard and the TR pommel.

The 35-41 seated squirrel holding sword TM on an etched blade with a lightning bolt scabbard.

This is the 35-41 seated squirrel holding sword on a plain blade, with an ivory grip and a hammered scabbard.

Funny, how the much harder to find plain blade just isn't as attractive to collectors as the easily found etched blades.

The first of my 42 over shoulder squirrel TMs is on an etched blade with a hammered scabbard.

I also have this same over shoulder TM on a plain blade with a lightning bolt scabbard.

So far, you have seen that I collect these daggers by blade variation, but when I was offered this at an SOS, I jumped at it.

This is a 42 over shoulder mark on a plain blade. But, crossguards differ, no release button and the scabbard is a thing of beauty.

The last Kriegsmarine dagger I have to show you is a MAX show pickup.

It has a scabbard that is not one we associate with Eicks, but the whole thing looks like it has been together for a long time.

It has a plain blade and a lightning bolt scabbard. The grip is cracked.

But, look at the TM.... the over shoulder squirrel by itself... no writing,no Eickhorn. How about that?

John

When it comes to Eickhorns John,, you have all the variations. Despite the condition of the last one you posted, "which is not that bad" the logo itself is a great addition to your collection.

I'll be honest with you John, I never cared much for the naval daggers and to date I don't own any. After seeing your pictures I'll be keeping an eye out and picking up the next deal I find. I like the variations of the Eickhorn trademarks, and you show them well. Nice job.

Rich

My latest Kriegs dagger, by Eickhorn, of course, is a grip variation. I do not normally collect these daggers by grip or scabbard, but this one is the second Kriegs dagger where I have broken my rule.

Look and see why.

John

John,
I see why you broke your rule, and for good reason. It's the rarest navy you got (IMHO). Black gripped 2nd model Navies did exist but are truly rare to find.
There's a fine example in one of Johnson's books who's owner was royalty.
Congratulations on this find.

For me, I'll take rarity over condition almost always.
Any more info you can tell us on this one?

BTW...all you daggers are wonderful and I want to extend my appreciation of you being a 'Sharing Collector' of note.

Best of Quest,
Serge

Very interesting to see the variations John. This is another reference thread that will help many! Really like the special order scabbard, the hand work is great! Also the black handled one is new to me, what was the conotation of wearing this color grip?? Kevin.

@Kevin,
there is no conotation for wearing a 1938 pattern dagger with a black grip. 1919/1921, yes, but not later.
Rgds;
Hermann

There are many things we see that we do not understand yet they do exist and are period pieces.
I prefer to believe we are all still learning.

Here is special Navy just in from the cold.

It has a crossguard that we are not used to seeing on TR or late Weimar Eickhorns, but one that I am told was used by Eick up to the 1920's. It has a really neat chased scabbard, but a plain blade. It is a 1st model Kriegsmarine with a never seen by me before maker mark, the Eick single oval over C.E.

John

John,this is amazing piece,congrats


Stingray

Very unique Eickhorn mark and that scabbard...WOW!! Kevin.

Beautiful piece John, wonderful detail and one you can spend your time studying with a big smile

What a navy - wonderful diverse collection.

That is a thing of beauty! well done

John,

You really have a good eye and a fantastic collection that you always share with us all. Thank you.

Wow this is very special.
Thanks for sharing.
I always wondered how much extra one of these hand chased scabbards cost in the time. Any idea?

I don't normally collect Imperial because the TR period is more than enough to keep me busy.

But, this new piece from Tom W was one that I really wanted to add to the collection... it is an Imperial piece with the back to back squirrel TM.

So, here it is, just arrived in the Great White North.

John

That's cool.
John is the scabbard brass?

... there are some nice daggers, a few things I do not understand from a first glance, but maybe that's just me. One or two things I would like to hold in my hand. As Paul mentioned, we are all learning.

Best;
Hermann

The scabbard and all fittings are magnetic.. iron based.

John

I also saw that one on TW's John. A real nice piece that I pondered a while. I'm glad that you got it.

Hello, John.
I know one more manufacturer's logo for the 35-41, seated squirrel holding sword TM on an etched blade with a lightning bolt scabbard.
Regards,
Oleg.

It is a logo there is a bad. This production after war in 50-60 years.Look at word solingen writing.
And this person tries to prove all the return.This person is a little not in himself. Recently they began to appear. Before them who didn't see.At what all in perfect tune.
Regards
Vitaliy

@alien, can you -please- explain why you do think this certain dagger (or at least it�s logo - which would say that at least the blade is "bad") shown by Oleg67 is "bad"?

@Oleg67 can you -please- show us more details from this dagger?

Thank you in advance, regards,

Hi Wotan.
Alien says that this logo is bad because he has heard such nonsense from an "expert" about 6 years ago. Even alien has no theoretical knowledge, but also tries to position itself as an expert. A similar dagger with this logo is in the collection of Vic Diehl and can also be seen in the book of Vic and Hermann.
The other details of my dagger I like to show. A Textbook Eickhorn in all parts.
Regards
Oleg.

Some more pics.

Some more.

And finally a picture from the book of Vic and Hermann. Please note the Logo.
Regards Oleg.

Hallo Wotan,
Pay attention to the word Solingen.These daggers started appearing in large quantities now.Before them nobody saw, even here at a forum only once it was shown.If other logos appear constantly.All these daggers with this logo in very good condition.In bad condition they aren't present in general as with Eickhorn's other logos.I when that had such dagger with such logo (shaft) which obviously was made in not pre-war time.
You saw at least once such dagger in the untwisted look?
Forgive for my English.
Best regards
Vitaliy

Hello Wotan,

as you can see, have the "arguments" of Alien also nothing to do with logic. Because if these daggers were produced in 50-60 years, where they were until now when Alien says that these daggers appear only in the last few years?
That the Alien has seen too little in his life, is not an argument at all, but his imagination. As far as I know, comes the dagger of the Vic `s collection from an american veteran.

Regards,
Oleg.

In these fairy tales long ago any more don't trust. Into the account of veterans.Well what not from an attic brought.Tell please why so very few people saw them about one today?Why all of them in a good condition?Why such bad writing of letters in words?Why this subject is three years old and anybody still didn't put this logo? Similar brands were put on bayonets and Heer daggers.If and is farther will proceed that in the near future and etched logos recognize for the original.
Regards,
Vitaliy

Gentlemen, after this post from Alien, you can really see who is not im himself.
The Alien does not read books, he has seen too little daggers, he does not believe in the opinions of experienced people. And these are the "arguments" of a self-made "everything connoisseur". I do not see at all with such a "specialist" to discuss any sense to me. He has much to learn. I think that the people who deal with the subject of Naval Daggers, these people have read enough books and seen enough daggers. A KM dagger with the same logo can be seen in the book by Thomas Wittmann. On the image from the original Eickhorn catalog.
But, as I already said, the alien does not read books.
Regards,
Oleg.

By the way, what Alien will tell about these dirks?

http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com/catalogue/weapons/DAGGERS/NAVY/25930.htm

http://www.wwiidaggers.com/32627.htm

Sorry Alien but this dagger is correct in all aspects.....or as we say in Texas it is "right as rain". If someone has one like it an thinks it is spurious, I'll buy it from you.
Rick

First let me thank you for the additional pics and the specifications of a suspicion.

What I can see from these extra and detailed pics the dagger shown by Oleg67 for me is a nice original one. It has all features we like to see and shows a lot of honest age. The trademark of this dagger -to my best knowledge- is one of the many period variants of the EICKHORN maker marks and a legit variant of the 35-41 mark. The word "SOLINGEN" is executed in a total legit manner of a stamped maker mark.

alien, I do respect that any member can have his own opinion concerning an item and is also encouraged to post them but in my humble opinion you are wrong on this one.

Please no personal insults.

Regards,

Gentlemen,

I can't say it any better.

We do know about stamped Eickhorn fake maker marks, but they appeared recently and they do look different.

Everybody has a perfect right for his own opinion, is free to express them and to act accordingly. In my opinion, this keeps the collector community alive.
We are all students of German daggers.

In our book we did the best to show items we were sure about their genuity.
But everything is open for debate, always.

Best;
Hefmann

I still believe that this is not the original dagger.logo (brand)

Just some dealers more profitable to sell since the original ending.

Over time, see what came of it.

It is to bad that you believe this on the mark shown above. I have seen swords etc.. being postwar stamped the above pictured dagger is NOT one of them. You have my sympathy as you are wrong on the dagger above.. Regards: James

Here is another of the same logo.
Look at the production and the etching on the blade.

Alien, as already said, you still have to learn a lot. You have either no own experience with the subject Navy, or your experience is too small to be able to discuss the KM daggers. Please, have respect for the opinions of the experienced collectors. These people have seen enough KM daggers in their life. Their opinions will help you on the way of the learning. If you, of course, this way liked to go. Till present, however, it looks other. At first you ask questions here and to you them answer, and then, at the Russian forums you write that misters Wittmann and Johnson sell fakes, and collectors from Germandaggers.com support them. And that Wotan can't call these daggers fakes just because they are sold by Mr. Johnson! How you dare to speak so about people to whom you come for the help?!
You are no honest person for me. I would never give you my hand.

Thanks for sharing these images. I just started collecting TR daggers, and just picked up an Eickhorn Kriegsmarine. I also just joined the GDC community: and this is exactly why; it's collector's like you who teach and motivate us newbies to grow in this hobby.

-- Randy

Hey guys:

We have all seen the 35-41 seated squirrel TM used by Eickhorn. The variations that we see on Lufts and Heers are stamped and etched versions as well as the small squirrel version.

I was looking at the Navy daggers and assuming that only the one stamped version could be found.

Here is one that has very different characteristics on the tail of the squirrel. I am told that this was a version used by Eickhorn in the latter part of 40-41 just before they switched to the over shoulder TM.

Here are pictures of the trademarks, the first is the new one without the shading inside the tail, the second is the one with shading traditionally found when we think of these seated squirrel marks.

Also, here is the dagger just in from Tom Wittman.

First, pics of the dagger.

John

Here are comparisons to the other 35-41 TM.

First, the difference.

The first pic is this new one with an empty tail and different fringe around the tail.

Second, is the comparison.

Third and fourth are other Kriegs that I won with the more common full tail maker mark.

John

Very neat John. These slight differences in die stamp use are what make collecting by maker interesting.

JohnZ, I have recognized this small difference in the certain mms in 1999 (when I got a certain dagger) and have written about them at GD.C in 2001 or 2002 but nobody did care at these times.
You might be right that it is a late mark just before switching to the "over the shoulder" mark as I could observe the mark in Question on a Prinz Eugen Saber and a navy dagger both obviously of late production.
Regards,

Hi John,

I have already showed a KM dagger by Eickhorn with this maker mark in this thread. Here a photos of the dagger from my collection. The dagger was awarded to verwaltungsfeldwebel Herbert Krambeer at 1. October 1940, please have look at the letter.

Best, Oleg.

Wotan and Oleg:

I am not disparaging nor in competition with your posts. In fact, I found this dagger that I think supports your position. Oleg's document lends support to the late in the time period use of this mark... 40-41 use just before the implementation of the over shoulder mark.

So, yes, I did see your posts, but, since I started this thread to show (off?) my Eickhorn Kriegsmarines, my latest find is totally appropriate to this thread.

BTW, your daggers are very nice and I would have loved to have found an example of this maker mark like yours, but I did not. Just the same, I am happy to have this in my colletion.

John

JohnZ, if my post did sound competing or disparaging (which in no way was it�s sense) I do apologize. It was meant just as a simple discussion remark.
Regards,

Hi John, sorry.
You've probably misunderstood me. With my post I just wanted to support your theory
about the use of this logo in the middle period.
Kindest regards, Oleg.

No problems, guys. We are all saying the same thing. Learning and sharing is how we all grow in this hobby.

John

In case any one is interested, Paul Hogle has one for sale in slightly better condition:

https://www.lakesidetrader.com/item.php?ID=9923

Unobvious maker mark variations do not usually command premiums on dealer sites, I have found.

John