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Posted By: Anonymous My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/24/2008 04:21 PM
Just got this today from the fine folks of Philipp Militaria

I want to thank Denny Roach, (probably) the world�s leading authority on German army daggers from the 1933-45 period, for his assessmen of his piece. He probably wouldnt like to be quoted on this forum, but he felt the makers mark is fine, 4th type chronologically among the 6 known Tiger marks. Generic A fittings and probably Eickhorn scabbard, all consistent with Tiger production

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Posted By: JohnZ Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/24/2008 04:38 PM
Gustavo:

Nice dagger and a really neat TM. I like those Tigers!

John
Posted By: Anonymous Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/24/2008 04:56 PM
I dont have permission from Denny to share this image here (i didnt ask), but since it is available right now publically on another site, here is his collage of Tiger marks in chronological order

Thanks also to "Wotan" another generous and knowledgeable collector and moderator who also gave me feedback ahead of buying this.



Small alteration by wotan in accordance with Gustavo.


Description: Denny Tiger marks
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Posted By: Hakan81 Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/24/2008 07:10 PM
Congrats Gustavo !!
That dagger really have a personality, awsome piece Eek
Bets, Hakan
Posted By: LH 600 Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/24/2008 07:54 PM
Congrats Gustavo with that nice Army Tiger Smile
I like it a lot with the personal engraving.

Take care of this dagger Wink

Best Regards LH 600
Posted By: Rich Yankowski Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/24/2008 10:03 PM
Very,very nice!! Cool
Posted By: Swordfish Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/25/2008 12:15 AM
Gustavo-
Very nice. I really love the white gripped Heers. I've always said i'm gonna' find a nice one to hold onto..and certainly a named example like this one would be wonderful specimine for a collection.

Congrats on a nice one.
Posted By: Eric Hall Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/25/2008 12:46 AM
Thats a very nice Tiger Gustavo!

Looking over the six variations on the tiger trademarks you posted above I was looking at one in my collection. Mine might be a seventh variation, Look at the similarity to type #2 but notice the diference in the "R". My dagger kinda looks like type 3, but spaced further from the crossguard.

Mine is all early production with a tapered tang and an orange juice grip. Smile

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Posted By: Eric Hall Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/25/2008 12:56 AM
Dennys type 2

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/25/2008 06:49 AM
Thanks folks. At �520 or under $800, I am very satisfied with this purchase. Reseach wise, the chances of pinning this down to a single officer are very high.
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/26/2008 02:50 AM
A beauty Gustavo hope you pin down the owner.
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/26/2008 10:49 AM
Beautiful dagger Gustavo.
I didn't know that there were so many Tiger variations.

We never stop to learn in this hobby.
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/26/2008 11:08 AM
Very nice personalized Army by Tiger Gustavo. -Congrats! Smile

-serge-
Posted By: Anonymous Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/26/2008 01:26 PM
thanks guys, would be nice to see some more!
Posted By: Nolan Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/26/2008 01:42 PM
Gus, most of your daggers appear to be personalised, do you specialise or do you collect anything and just get lucky with the personolised ones Wink

Nolan
Posted By: Anonymous Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/26/2008 06:48 PM
Hey Nolan, you are right, and its quite intentional.. which means it takes me longer to find a piece for my collecion. I have tried to describe what i�m doign here http://www.zeitzeugen1939.com/material.html
Posted By: Nolan Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/26/2008 10:58 PM
Gus I think todays collectors are faced with many choices in their collecting preference choices, much down to budget. When I first came back to GD's I wanted to do what I did back in the late 60's early 70's, i.e. have one of each, it soon became apparrant that that was not on, I just collect Heers and 2nd lufts now, to include etched when I can find nice ones at a decent price.
I have watched your collection grow on here (GDC)and you have some wonderful personal pieces, I hope you get many more.

Nolan
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 01:06 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Nolan:
I have watched your collection grow on here (GDC)and you have some wonderful personal pieces, I hope you get many more.

Nolan


Indeed, and hope I'll be able to see it with my own eyes, since I'll be meeting Gustavo in Madrid in the next few days. Wink
Posted By: Nolan Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 01:21 AM
Enjoy your trip Pat, Madrid is a beautiful city and I have to catch up on 749 posts so I'll be posting on every thing and anything Big Grin.

Just BTW of course Roll Eyes if you happened to have that Luft with you in Madrid Big Grin postage to UK would be cheaper than from the Great White North Big Grin Big Grin

Seriously, have a nice trip Wink

Nolan
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 02:01 AM
Thank you mate ! Wink

It is now 22:00 here in Canada and 4:00 in the UK.....aren't in bed yet ! Big Grin

Perhaps, are you too busy watching this...
Razz
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=EwnlYZjHShU
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 04:17 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Gustavo:
thanks guys, would be nice to see some more!


One of my favorites is this early Tiger with a Monogramed pommel and the "S" on the scabbard.

Regards,
-serge


Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 04:18 AM
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 04:19 AM
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 04:20 AM
Posted By: Anonymous Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 05:29 AM
Serge thats awesome... so this is the earliest Tiger then
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 06:02 AM
I believe so.
Brass base, heavy silver plate, taper tang, slant grip and earliest Tiger logo.
Some have called it the "Big Tiger or "King Tiger" logo.

Regards,
-serge-
Posted By: Hakan81 Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 07:47 AM
Serge, what an awsome dagger Eek Eek
Do you have a picture of the hanger to post aswell, just looking at the clip you realize
these got character aswell !
Have a great weekend mate !!
Best, Hakan

Ps. Pat, have a safe trip to Spain !!
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 09:44 AM
Thank You Gustavo and Hakan.
Yes, this early Tiger came with this set of hangers. I never saw a set like them before.
West Wishes to you too Hakan.

I love Madrid...wish I was there now.
You guys have a great time. Wink

Regards,
-serge-


Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 09:46 AM
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 09:47 AM
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 09:49 AM
Posted By: Hakan81 Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 09:57 AM
ME LIKE THOSE CLIPS
Killer rig you got there Serge !!
Congrats once again, Hakan
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 10:50 AM
Now I know which maker marked I want for my next Army dagger. Smile

I really love these personnalized daggers and yours Serge, is another fantastic example and a trademark to kill for on top of that.

Where can I get myself a big Tiger ? Big Grin
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 11:26 AM
Thanks Hakan and Pat.

With all that brass it's a heavy Army rig.

To find a Big Tiger Pat? Not easy to find but you know Denny. I would see if he could be talked out of a Big Kitty. Wink

Regards,
-serge-
Posted By: Anonymous Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 11:36 AM
Guys, one of u might want the early Tiger marked (big cat like Serge�s) transitional DLV at Wittmann�s site, with an amazing inscription dedication to the departing commander of an airfield. It was pictured in one of the books.
Posted By: Bismarck Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 12:26 PM
Like your hangers, here's some pics of mine. Big Grin

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Posted By: Bismarck Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 12:26 PM
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Posted By: Nolan Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 12:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Pat:
Thank you mate ! Wink

It is now 22:00 here in Canada and 4:00 in the UK.....aren't in bed yet ! Big Grin

Perhaps, are you too busy watching this...
Razz
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=EwnlYZjHShU


I think it was around 1am when I posted that Pat, listned to some music for an hour or so then definitely lights out by 2.

Benny Hill, classic British humour, after political correctness killed him off in the UK I believe he tried his luck in the US but without any significant success, thanks for that Pat.

Nolan
Posted By: Bismarck Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 12:27 PM
Last.

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Posted By: Hakan81 Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 12:36 PM
Where the h... do you find these amazing hangers gentlemen ? Eek
I whould sure like a pair of those !!!!!
Hakan
Posted By: Bismarck Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 01:36 PM
I haven't been all sincere here, actually I sold these to my friend LH 600 just a week ago. Wink

BIG regret, but I needed the money for other goodies so......
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 01:42 PM
It seems to me that there is a lot of trading/buying going on in Scandinavia nowadays. Smile

Bismarck, LH 600, Hakan, Nakida, Jesper......and so on. Big Grin<
Who's next in line......IKEA ?
Posted By: Bismarck Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 01:54 PM
Hehe..IKEA is just for storage, they have some great cabinets for displaying militaria.

But you are right, the interest for militaria and collecting is growing rapidly over here.
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 02:10 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bismarck:
Hehe..IKEA is just for storage, they have some great cabinets for displaying militaria.

You are right, my display cabinet actually comes from IKEA. Wink

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Posted By: Bismarck Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 02:21 PM
Very nice Pat. Eek

I especially like your LW uniform.

Here's some of my stuff. Not IKEA, but quite similar.

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Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 02:37 PM
Thank you Bismarck and you also have a very nice display of fine artifacts. Cool

I'm especially proud of this Luft uniform, which by the way came from Copenhagen. Wink

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Posted By: Bismarck Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 04:20 PM
Stunning uniform indeed. Big Grin

I see you have a beautiful etched luft 2 framed on the wall, have you posted this one somewhere in here?
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 05:05 PM
Thanks !
I did post some pics of my Voos Luft dagger a while ago, but I cannot find the link.
Here are some pics of it.

Bought it at the Max 2004 and is simply the best conditioned engraved Luft that I have ever seen. Wink

Plated blade and full background frosting.

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Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 05:06 PM
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Posted By: Bismarck Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 05:16 PM
EekWOW and I really mean WOW.

What a beauty. Big Grin

Mint condition, I guess this makes you proud. Smile

PS: Maybe we are a bit of topic here now?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 05:32 PM
Hey Pat, beautiful displays. BTW, do u have a photo of this other Oberstleutnant? Cool
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 05:42 PM
No, but I do have his name written in the inside label.
Will post a pic of it in a minute.
Posted By: Hakan81 Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 05:46 PM
Holy Moly Pat !
What a beauty, and first class all trough as always Eek Eek
Hakan
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 05:57 PM
Thanks Hakan ! Smile
Gustavo, the inside label is a bit worn and I cannot really be certain about the name.

It is written "Brekl" or "Brakl". Confused

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Posted By: Bismarck Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 06:06 PM
It looks brand new on the outside. Big Grin

Absolutely enviable.
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 06:27 PM
Pat...that's a stone beauty of a etched 2nd Luft Voos!! Eek

Regarding the Army "tigers", don't you still have the rarest of the Tigers? I mean rarer than the Big Tiger...the "Golden Tiger"? Cool

Now that Tiger is the Rarest of them all...one look will tell ya all why. Razz

Regards to all,
-serge-
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 07:33 PM
Thank you Serge !

I do have one Tiger Army but I had to sell my soul in order to get it, Wink but you know what, it was all well worth it. Big Grin

An early minty Damascus blade made by Paul Dinger.

The tang is marked with the craftman's initials "P.D"

This is the only known example that I have seen so far but I'm certain that there are others, though you can probably count them on one hand.

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Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 07:34 PM
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Posted By: Hakan81 Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 07:47 PM
Now I am speechless !
Hakan
Posted By: Degens Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 07:54 PM
Pat,
You have a great eye for a quality dagger and your collection is world class. This damascus army and the previous engraved luft would be the highlight of anybody's collection.

Wagners, brass based Tiger is another rarity and I automatically love any heer dagger with a 1st Pack crossguard. Very nice with the addition of the personalisation.
Posted By: Nolan Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 07:55 PM
Pat are you trying to wind me up with photo's of that Luft Big Grin

Nolan
Posted By: Bismarck Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 08:05 PM
EekUnbelievable, what a fantastic dagger. Big Grin
Posted By: DAMAST Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 08:16 PM
Pat, Glad you still like my old dagger I sold 18 years ago Big Grin There are more out there, I had a 2nd luft tiger, Milestone had two, The old Waites collection had at least two, and have seen a few pop up longer ago at the shows...See you at the MAX??? Regards: James
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 08:41 PM
Thanks Degens!

There is Pat's Tiger. Eek The best "Tiger" in the world. Wink

Didn't Waite have a gold raised personalized damascus Tiger or am I thinking of another?
Is there such a beast to anyones knowledge?

Regards,
-serge-
Posted By: LH 600 Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 09:16 PM
Very nice daggers you shown Pat Cool
Nice display Bismarck and Pat Big Grin Very impressive .
Thanks for sharing exellent pics Smile

Lh 600
Posted By: LH 600 Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/27/2008 09:20 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Pat:
It seems to me that there is a lot of trading/buying going on in Scandinavia nowadays. Smile

Bismarck, LH 600, Hakan, Nakida, Jesper......and so on. Big Grin<
Who's next in line......IKEA ?


Wink
Im glad the SS soldier escape to Germany without their daggers Big Grin
Posted By: Mikee Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/28/2008 07:19 AM
Pat,
I'm speechless as well! What can you say, but WOW! Thanks for the treat.

Is their anything special you do to keep the damas blade clean?
Posted By: patrice Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/28/2008 11:38 AM
Hi Mikee,

When I bought this dagger two years ago from Jason Burmeister, I asked him what to do to preserve my Damascus blade.
His reply was ............. nothing.
He told me that I should never try to clean damascus with semichrome or any other chemical products.
All I do, is to wipe out the blade with a clean cotton cloth and "voila".
Posted By: WW2-Collector Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/28/2008 01:48 PM
Serge thats one fine Tiger Razz
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: My new Tiger army - 4th type - 09/28/2008 03:30 PM
Thanks Tom.
I would like to find a great aluminum Spitzer like you've got. That's a Beaut! Cool

Regards,
-serge-
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