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Posted By: Rhys SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/28/2008 12:29 PM
Hi,

Picked this tinnie up over the weekend.
Good or bad?
What do you think it's worth?

Cheers,

Rhys

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Posted By: Rhys Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/28/2008 12:30 PM
Back...

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Posted By: paulbear Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/28/2008 11:29 PM
Hi this tinnie is listed in TIESTE'S BOOK at 100 euros and I have been studying his rather poor pic and comparing. It is very hard to come up with a firm opinion but I see one glaring red flag on yours when I see the nice clean new striking and appearance and then see the obvious wear on the eagles leg where there should be detail I want to run so await other opinions as I think others may be waiting for the ice to be broken on this one

PAUL
Posted By: Gaspare Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/29/2008 03:30 AM
Paul,,can you post a photo from the book? Are the eagles chest,,head and wreath soft on detail like this one?,,or maybe it is just this photo!
Posted By: Rhys Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/29/2008 09:02 AM
Thanks for the comments so far - will post another photo showing a close up when I get a chance.
Posted By: paulbear Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/29/2008 02:37 PM
G there is no sense trying to repost a photo from this book it is right in the spine. The detail on the leg and chest for that matter is strong and raised in the pic which leads to to believe there may be a problem here .

PAUL
Posted By: derjager Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/29/2008 10:39 PM
Rhys, more in focus images should tell all. This example appears to be silver plated brass with tarnish to the "hard to get to" obverse spots. The reverse? Can't tell if it's clean as the day it was made or if there is any residue present. The pin has been bent out of shape.

--dj--Joe
Posted By: John Pepera Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/30/2008 07:24 AM
No date on the suspect shown.

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Posted By: Rhys Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/30/2008 08:01 AM
I found these examples during my search with no dates and Berlin.

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Posted By: Rhys Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/30/2008 08:02 AM
back...

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Posted By: Rhys Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/30/2008 08:09 AM
More pix of the suspect

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Posted By: Rhys Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/30/2008 08:10 AM
another

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Posted By: John Pepera Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/30/2008 10:41 AM
No argument here but the Berlin piece just wouldn't be for me.
Posted By: Erich Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/30/2008 09:54 PM
I agree with John regarding the date. I also wouldn't want the undated version in my collection.
Posted By: paulbear Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/30/2008 10:51 PM
the limburg/lahn piece is also listed in TIESTE'S second volume at 100 euro. The Berlin day badge is a known piece NEVER HAD A DATE and one is kries one is gau but as we know the type is a fakers prime target. The badge shown as I stated should have strong detail on the eagle legs and chest, but this badge may have been polished so in it's defence needs a close hands on exam by someone down there perhaps DJ .

PAUL
Posted By: paulbear Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 05/30/2008 10:59 PM
I would love to have both in my collection . Am wondering how many makers there where of the Berlin pin.
Posted By: john rosser Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 06/01/2008 09:43 AM
I can,t see anything wrong with the badge posted
by Rhys. I have two examples one bought about 15
years ago the other in the last six months.
Paulbear says the badge "should have strong detail on the eagle legs and chest" where do you
get that information from? You can see mine on
GMIC in the sa database rubbish pic but its there.


SS tinnies have a fragile reputation so its easy
to say some are bad, but i can,t see much wrong
with these.People lose confidence in items when
someone says i see a red flag, but you must back
this up with evidence.
Regards
Posted By: paulbear Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 06/01/2008 08:30 PM
JOHN if you READ the thread the evidence is given ref TIESTE VOL 1 PAGE 51 berlin 00-36. I do not beak off without doing some homwork and my opinion stands with this tinnie

PAUL
Posted By: john rosser Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 06/02/2008 03:00 PM
Paul
You have your opinion on this badge, and i respect that. But to cite as evidence, a grainy
image from Tieste,s book i find a bit odd. You
can,t make a call on a badge from pictures in a
book, the ones i have examined don,t exhibit
that strong detail on chest and feet. How ever
i will leave it at that, and we can agree to differ on this one
Regards
John Rosser
Posted By: paulbear Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 06/02/2008 11:26 PM
The picture in the book is quite clear actually or I would not have made the statement. The other members who are true tinnie collectors have this volume and there is no challenge with only a couple posts you might want to sit back and watch a bit before you flame a member there is a history of knowledge and trust here anyhow welcome to the forum
Posted By: derjager Re: SS SA Tinnie (Good/Bad?) - 06/04/2008 09:41 PM
After reviewing both examples of the tinnie in question I note the protective end of the pin where it extends over the sharp point is a different configuration than normally seen. I first thought it had been twisted and bent down due to damage, but not on both examples. Am aware of two period styles and this is not one of them.

--dj--Joe
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