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Posted By: Erich Blutorden - 02/22/2011 09:38 PM
Had the camera out and thought that I would share a couple photos of my 1st pattern Blood Order. It was awarded to Franz Fuchs, a member of SA Munchen and also a holder of the GPB and Coburg Badge.

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Posted By: Krullies Re: Blutordern - 02/22/2011 09:53 PM
Erich, you keep finding these unique things Amazing! I think I saw your Koburg Badge too? Was that also of Fuchs?

Bye,
KR
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 02/22/2011 10:02 PM
Hi Karin and thanks again for your kind words. No my Coburg badge is not attibuted to Fuchs but I wish that it was! Best, Erich
Posted By: lloyd Re: Blutordern - 02/23/2011 12:54 AM

Erich, must say that piece is stunning!
Posted By: paulbear Re: Blutordern - 03/04/2011 03:25 PM
always great to see these rare awards might be next on my radar.
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 03/04/2011 03:55 PM
Thanks for the kind words guys, being a Political guy, the Blood Order and Coburg Badge are my all time favorites due to their history of the very beginings of the Party.
Posted By: SSman Re: Blutordern - 03/05/2011 01:40 AM
Nice blood order Erich and to know who it bleonged to is an added bonus. You have a great collection of political items. Never get tired of looking at your posts.
Rod
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 03/05/2011 02:25 AM
Rod, the great thing about the first pattern Orders is that you can identify the recipient and trace their history in the early Party.
Posted By: SSman Re: Blutordern - 03/05/2011 05:37 AM
That is good to know Erich. Doubt whether I will ever own one though but you never know?
Rod
Posted By: Dean Perdue Re: Blutordern - 03/05/2011 09:28 AM
Congrats on owning this gem.
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 03/05/2011 05:18 PM
If any other members have a Blood Order in their collections, please post them!
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 03/09/2011 04:55 PM
I forgot to add this rare little ribbon device that's a nice accessary to the BO.

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Posted By: John Pepera Re: Blutordern - 03/11/2011 03:48 AM
Here is a quick picture of my 1st. pattern Blood order #335 with an original ribbon bar device that was obviously worn by the owner.

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Posted By: John Pepera Re: Blutordern - 03/11/2011 03:51 AM
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Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 03/11/2011 02:04 PM
Thanks for posting your fantastic Order John, it's always a pleasure to see! Best, Erich
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 03/11/2011 02:14 PM
I just noticed my typo in the title of this thread. It should be "BLUTORDEN".
Posted By: derjager Re: Blutordern - 03/12/2011 01:06 AM
Fixed. Great Thread.

--dj--Joe
Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutordern - 03/12/2011 04:53 PM
Here is my latest trio of 1st pattern Blood Orders. Had the pleasure of photographing them today before they headed to the bank.They represent my haul during the past 12 months.I'll be adding more pics on WAF , the picture sizing on here is a real pain,far to small.


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Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutordern - 03/12/2011 04:59 PM
And here is an overview of the collection ,minus those 3 and a couple others that didn't make this particualr photocall wink
I only own two second pattern now,cased. Have focused 100% on the 1st pattern medal apart from on occasions when a second pattern has come up for a reasonable amount.

Always searching for more................ wink

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Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 03/12/2011 05:49 PM
Now this thread is hopping and thanks Jon for adding your " little collection" here!
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 03/12/2011 09:06 PM
And a little grouping with my BO and some related items.

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Posted By: goldfasan Re: Blutordern - 03/13/2011 04:43 PM
You guys are making me jealous, what wonderful collections of BO,s and related items.
I have a BO ribbon bar like John,s now all I need is my great uncles BO.

Horst

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Posted By: ssfeldgendarme Re: Blutordern - 03/13/2011 05:30 PM
Very nice collection. Thanks for sharing.
Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutordern - 03/21/2011 09:52 PM
A new addition for my collection.....
3 digit 1st Pattern.


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Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 03/21/2011 10:48 PM
Nice Jon, I was hoping that you would chime in and post some of your collection on this thread!
Posted By: John Pepera Re: Blutordern - 05/24/2011 03:40 AM
NSDAP 9. November party rally booklet. The booklet is period published and commemorates the 1923- 1933 years of the NSDAP. The text outlines the celebration hour by hour throughout the event. The pamphlet features the 9 Nov 1923, FHH party eagle on the cover with the date 9. NOVEMBER. The book is a propaganda piece aimed at attracting new members to the party and details party history. Many period advertisements supporting the party are also most interesting. The pamphlet measures 7 x 9.5 inches. Rare and complete. 55 Pages with many photos.

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Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 05/24/2011 03:45 PM
A nice rare publication John and thanks for adding it to our growing little thread!
Posted By: Gaspare Re: Blutordern - 05/25/2011 04:38 AM
John,,,that IS nice! any photos of the Blood flag??
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 05/31/2011 07:44 PM
Following on John's theme, here's a Blood Order related photo card that I have that kinda says it all!

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Posted By: slayer Re: Blutordern - 06/02/2011 04:35 AM
Fantastic items, thanks for showing.
Posted By: JoeW Re: Blutordern - 07/31/2011 04:07 AM
Here is my 2nd Pattern BO owned by SS Sturmbannfuhrer and Major d.Schutzpolizei Hans Dobeck. I had evidence that the owner was Dobeck, but the proof lay in his party records that provided the BO number.

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Posted By: ajax Re: Blutordern - 07/31/2011 05:53 AM
Originally Posted By: JoeW
Here is my 2nd Pattern BO owned by SS Sturmbannfuhrer and Major d.Schutzpolizei Hans Dobeck. I had evidence that the owner was Dobeck, but the proof lay in his party records that provided the BO number.



Screamer!
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 07/31/2011 01:36 PM
Joe, a very important and rare attributed 2nd pattern BO to an important Austrian and thanks much for adding it to our little BO thread!
Posted By: Jabnus Re: Blutordern - 08/10/2011 01:40 AM
Very nice BO JoeW, congrats.

Knowing the name of a second type is the best thing. One day those namelists will hopefully be possible match to the corresponding numbers.

best regards,
Gaston
Posted By: Krullies Re: Blutordern - 08/10/2011 10:05 AM
Hi Gaston, nice to see you here, have fun!
Posted By: Jon Fish Blutorden - 03/17/2012 11:09 PM
Here is a quick update of my Blutorden collection.
Getting hard to find them these days, but not impossible.
There are a couple missing from this picture. Anyone else wish to share their Blood Orders?


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Posted By: Erich Re: Blutorden - 03/18/2012 01:31 AM
A great money shot Jon and it looks like you're on your way to having your own 9 Nov. anniversary march!
Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutorden - 03/18/2012 10:18 AM
Thanks Erich,but you know me I'm always looking for the next one..... wink. Here is one I picked up 2 years ago,a colleague over on WAF coloured the photo of him for me! I own his Blood Order and many photographs and post war passports etc.



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Posted By: Erich Re: Blutorden - 03/18/2012 03:06 PM
Jon, is this a 1st or 2nd pattern BO?
Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutorden - 03/18/2012 11:19 PM
First pattern Erich, he was SA.
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutorden - 03/18/2012 11:49 PM
Thanks Jon, thought so! Let's see some more Blood Orders guys, anyone?
Posted By: janjan Re: Blutordern - 05/13/2012 09:06 PM
I ownly got the book but it is a little beginning?
Posted By: janjan Re: Blutordern - 05/13/2012 09:08 PM
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Posted By: JoeW Re: Blutordern - 06/05/2012 01:56 PM
Janjan, you have the first edition. A second revised edition in larger format without paper jacket was published some years ago. Curiously, Patzwall failed to date this second edition. But what is curious is his list of 2nd Model BO recipients and awarding date periods. His book is well documented in his discussion of the BO, save for this section at the end of the book. Does anyone know from where he acquired the info to create this list?
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 06/05/2012 10:45 PM
Joe,

I have seen the list of those awarded the 2nd pattern which I think were found in the National Archive some years ago. But still no key to put the names and numbers together as of yet.
Posted By: pvon Re: Blutordern - 12/02/2012 12:21 AM
Just saw this thread! I enlarged a couple pics!

Jons many blood orders was very small so clarity not good!

If he could make another few shots we could enlarge!

Its enough to make you drool!

Hope guys don't mind!

PVON

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Posted By: pvon Re: Blutordern - 12/02/2012 12:22 AM
Lets see the backs!
Posted By: pvon Re: Blutordern - 12/02/2012 12:25 AM
Could still make them bigger!

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Posted By: derjager Re: Blutordern - 12/02/2012 06:48 AM
I would like to know more about the ribbon bar device. How rare is it to find? Is it marked in silver content?
Are there forgeries?

--dj--Joe
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 12/02/2012 05:23 PM
Joe,

Not much is really known about the ribbon devices other than there appears to be two different types. My example is made of actual BO ribbon and was probably worn on the lapel while Johns looks like a more traditional ribbon bar. The lapel ribbon type seems to have been only included with 1st pattern medals.
Posted By: derjager Re: Blutordern - 12/02/2012 05:47 PM
Thanks Erich,

So it was an issued piece and not a commercial purchase?

--dj--Joe
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 12/02/2012 05:52 PM
Not sure, could have been an extra but not enough is known about their purpose. All the ribbon devises like my example were found with cased examples so it's anyone's guess.
Posted By: derjager Re: Blutordern - 01/25/2014 05:32 PM
BTTT, been quiet for some time.
Posted By: paulbear Re: Blutordern - 01/30/2014 09:25 PM
here is a bar for sale but does look odd to me any thoughts


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Posted By: derjager Re: Blutordern - 01/31/2014 11:26 PM
Hmmm, guessing, the ribbons could be period. The devices look sad, two are lacking detail and two either are bent or have extra material along the edges. The LS I have not seen before and would have been represented differently.
Have seen Blood Orders on a single ribbon but not on a bar that I recall. Don't feel that is a blood order ribbon anyway.

Any reverse pic. ?

--dj--Joe
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 01/31/2014 11:36 PM
Well, the Blutorden ribbon is a fake for starters.
Posted By: derjager Re: Blutordern - 02/01/2014 12:15 AM
Make that some of the ribbons may be good. eek The NSDAP ribbon is also not good upon looking closer. Plus the fact that the 25 would be worn with the 15 and 10 year ribbon with devices also.

--dj--Joe
Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 02/01/2014 01:01 AM
There was no ribbon bar device for the BO. The others aren't good either IMO.
Posted By: paulbear Re: Blutordern - 02/01/2014 02:40 AM
THANKS FOR THE OPINIONS GUYS THOUGHT IT WAS DOGY
Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutordern - 02/02/2014 12:06 AM
Yes indeed Erich called it right. Leave this bar well alone.
Posted By: paulbear Re: Blutordern - 02/02/2014 01:01 AM
thanks for the opinions all confirmed

PAUL
Posted By: der-hase-fee Re: Blutordern - 02/19/2014 11:53 PM
Looks like John P did not have a problem with the BO device at some point in time.

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Posted By: Erich Re: Blutordern - 02/20/2014 11:37 PM
Yes, he liked the device but I don't. There was no authorized ribbon bar for the BO. The ribbon device that i posted was for a lapel.
Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutordern - 03/01/2014 04:01 PM
Agree I don't like that either. I do however like this one and hence its in my collection....

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Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutordern - 03/01/2014 04:12 PM
A little eye candy, about time I posted some up here on GD.com.
Here we have a recent(ish) trio of 1st patterns. and a really cool early 2nd pattern I picked up. Appears to have been drilled at some point , maybe for a key chain or necklace? Shows much wear but still highly collectable in my mind, with a cracking photo pulled from the archives :}


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Posted By: Gaspare Re: Blutordern - 03/02/2014 06:05 AM

Jon,, the detail on that device is really something! maybe a close up shot if you can!

The piece from Peps collection,,,is that a stic pin type mount,,or pin and catch?
Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutordern - 03/02/2014 06:35 PM
G-man, I tried this pm but my camera is not so good, so used an eye In front. Much better in hand so to speak.


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Posted By: Gaspare Re: Blutordern - 03/03/2014 02:44 AM
yeah nice! , thanks Jon.....
Posted By: Jon Fish Blutorden - 10/11/2014 08:11 PM
Here is an update from my collection of blood orders. These are all 1st type medals. Getting tough to find more but they do come along time to time. I guess it helps people knowing I collect them hard and deal straight, in that I get offers when its time to sell :]


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Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutorden - 10/11/2014 08:33 PM
This has been shown before, Loeper's low numbered Blutorden. I was looking for ages and fortunate to find this signed studio portrait of him and a fellow collector found an article with his funeral pillow showing this very medal and the GPB. I'm still searching for a photo of him wearing the medal, he died less than a year after its award but there must have been some photos taken in uniform with it on!

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Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutorden - 10/11/2014 08:36 PM
Funeral pillow...

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Posted By: Erich Re: Blutorden - 10/13/2014 10:33 PM
Great stuff Jon and it's great that you were able to get the article and photo of the pillow to go with the grouping!
Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutorden - 10/18/2014 09:27 PM
Thanks Erich, it was courtesy of Sepp over on the WAF, the guy who updates the thread on funeral pillows. So I was very lucky and very grateful. Now of course the crowning glory would be him wearing the medal!
Posted By: Gaspare Re: Blutorden - 10/19/2014 03:48 AM

B.O.s are one of the most historical and interesting 3rd reich pieces there is!
Some nice stuff here! You have an excellent collection..Good for you old buddy!
Posted By: kingtiger Re: Blutorden - 12/08/2014 04:09 AM
I found this subject very interesting. Can anyone let me know what the values are currently for these awards?

Mark
Posted By: der-hase-fee Re: Blutordern - 03/25/2017 03:43 PM
Originally Posted By: Erich
Well, the Blutorden ribbon is a fake for starters.


Well, here is another one, fetched 850 Euro + 23%:



Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutorden - 11/14/2021 10:59 PM
I am still enjoying collecting Blutorden. Looking forwards to visiting the SOS in Feb 22, meeting some old faces and hopefully finding something for my collection. Get in touch if you want to meet or might have something for me!

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Posted By: Dave Re: Blutorden - 11/15/2021 01:25 PM
Hi, Jon,

Good to see you again,

Dave
Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutorden - 11/20/2021 08:26 AM
Thank you Dave. I'll be around at the SOS 22, looking forwards to catching up with old chums State side.
Here is a sweet medal, awarded to one of the 2 son's in this photo, father and both sons holders of the Blood Order.

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Posted By: Mike (aka Byzanti) Re: Blutorden - 11/20/2021 11:50 AM
Impressive collection, Jon!
Posted By: Jon Fish Re: Blutorden - 02/20/2022 01:57 PM
Sadly issues with Covid, and then an operation I had to have meaning I can't fly yet and I won't be at SOS. Hope to attend in 2023 though. Hope everyone has a great show smile
Posted By: derjager Re: Blutorden - 02/21/2022 05:09 PM
Hope you get to feeling better.

--dj--Joe
Posted By: sellick8302@rogers.com Re: Blutorden - 02/26/2022 01:42 AM
Take care Jon, cheers and best, Ryan S
Posted By: Gaspare Re: Blutorden - 02/26/2022 12:51 PM
Hi old buddy.
Hey you know there are Blood Orders at the MAX too! wink Last year was 900 tables, probably be a bit bigger this year... Good health to you ...,Gaspare
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