As we haven't seen any for a while, thought I'd post my SS/FM members pin.
I'm sure others here have them as well so lets see them please.
Cheers
Don
Reverse
I can do that.
Nice pins Don,Jamie, are the numbers on the back tracable like a serial number? I do not know to much about these.
Fritziii
Here's another....
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Originally posted by fritziii:
Nice pins Don,Jamie, are the numbers on the back tracable like a serial number? I do not know to much about these.
Fritziii
Not as far as I know, but I imagine that it's only a matter of time. I'm sure that the info is tucked away in an archive somewhere just waiting for someone to realise what it is.....
Cheers
Don
BTTT. I know there are more collectors of these out there.
--dj--Joe
Here is a recent pickup with a HJ rune pin, this C series pin has a low number at 809.
Thanks,
Kevin
Hi All:
SS/FM numbers are traceable as there are ledgers recording contributions that include the member's unique FM number in the BDC records in the National Archives at College Park. It is another worthy project that could be undertaken with a lot of time & perseverance and the numbers could be organized with a database.
Regards,
Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com
Here's my front...
... and back ...
Good idea to repost these nice pins.
Here is mine
picture from below....
the backside.....
Anyone noticing how we have at least two variations here? Look at the little black triangle under the crook of the first "S" - one is small and others are large. Maybe just a polishing variation, but it looks big enough to be a new / different die.
On the back have a look at the way the "S" is written on the badge above and then look at the "S" in "DESCHLER" on any of the "A" series badges. It looks like a backwards "Z".
Just die and stamping variations, but I've never noticed before until seeing the side by side.
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Anyone noticing how we have at least two variations here? Look at the little black triangle under the crook of the first "S" - one is small and others are large. Maybe just a polishing variation, but it looks big enough to be a new / different die.
I did notice that Stephen.
Very nice pics,thanks for showing.
erik
Got to be more than these out there.
--dj--Joe
# 38350
# 47596
# 69878
Book (a)
Book (b)
# 69878
First pin I've ever seen with a pin back, thanks John.
THE ONLY KNOWN PIC OF A PIN IN WEAR,TO MY KNOWLEDGE. SEVERAL YEARS AGO PAUL JARVIS GOT THIS FROM THE WOMAN'S SON. IT IS A PHOTO POSTCARD FROM 1936 OF HER. IT IS THE ACTUAL PICTURE. THE PIN YOU SEE IS A1926 IS THE SAME PIN AS IN THE PICTURE.
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This is going to be a definite "Go To" thread.
--dj--Joe
MORE FM/SS,
LETS MAAKE THIS A FUN THREAD!!!!
IT'S NOW TIME TO READ THIS MONTHS ISSUE.
Hi
I got one without number.
why isn`t there a number on the back?
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the back
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Hi
Why is thre no numbering on the back of this pin?
Could be a private purchase piece bought as an extra pin or to replace a lost one?
Cheers
Don
Hi All:
If anyone is looking for a research project, there is a good chance that the people assigned these FM numbers could be identified with some dedication and persistance. Attached is a description of the FM records that are in the National Archives.
Regards,
Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com
No one has any problems with these pins in the for sale section? The backs are all OK?
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/748105472/m/7090020535
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If anyone is looking for a research project, there is a good chance that the people assigned these FM numbers could be identified with some dedication and persistance. Attached is a description of the FM records that are in the National Archives.
I found talking to the NARA like talking to a brick wall. They were less than helpful & were totally unwilling or unable to help with regard to looking for these files. Unfortunately as I'm in the UK the phone calls cost a fortune & I'm unable to visit the place to look myself!!!
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No one has any problems with these pins in the for sale section? The backs are all OK?
The Honour pin is a fake I'm afraid.
Cheers
Don
IF IT IS NOT NAMED AND NUMBERED,I WOULD NOT HAVE IN MY COLLECTION.
[quote]No one has any problems with these pins in the for sale section? The backs are all OK?[/quote
Those items need to be discussed.
I feel as a first step we should contact Robert and advise him of this post.
--dj--Joe
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Originally posted by Don Scowen:
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If anyone is looking for a research project, there is a good chance that the people assigned these FM numbers could be identified with some dedication and persistance. Attached is a description of the FM records that are in the National Archives.
I found talking to the NARA like talking to a brick wall. They were less than helpful & were totally unwilling or unable to help with regard to looking for these files. Unfortunately as I'm in the UK the phone calls cost a fortune & I'm unable to visit the place to look myself!!!
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No one has any problems with these pins in the for sale section? The backs are all OK?
The Honour pin is a fake I'm afraid.
Cheers
Don
Sorry Don that the Yanks were not more helpful to someone from the Mother Country. The FM ledgers are on microfilm and can be accessed in the microfilm reading room at NARA. I don't know how many microfilm rolls are involved. They can be purchased for $68 USD (international shipping) each. The original ledgers must be in the Berlin Document Center in Germany. It would be a great project for a local volunteer to undertake. Independent researchers are available for hire usually by the hour.
Regards,
Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com
THE ZA PIN IN THE FOR FOR SALE ADS,LOOKS WRONG ALSO.THE MAKERS OF THESE TWO TYPES OF PINS TOOK A LOT OF PRIDE IN THERE WORK.THE PINS WERE NOT NOT BLANK MARKED.
... can anyone spot the backwards "N" in "MCHN"?
Following are the images from the For Sale Forum that you wished to discuss.
Not my area so let's have a discussion where we all learn.
--dj--Joe
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VERY ENLIGHTENING! NICE
A GOOD ZA PIN
BACK AND FRONT,SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
Hi
With regards to the above items, the SS-ZA and the honour pin are fakes, as is the FM pin with the blank back
Interesting thread, indeed
Raymond
Here is one dug by my friend on Saturday.....
Jan
Reverse... I am sorry for bad pics...
It does seem a pity that nobody thought to point out the questionable items in the For Sale forum at the time.I,m sure potential buyers would have been appreciative.
Bob seems to be keeping his head well below the parapet too.
Regards JOHN
Hi
With reference to the letter series, I have come across the following
A, C, D, E, F, H, J, K, L & S for the ehrennadel.
Raymond
Here is my C coded piece to add to this thread.
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I feel the un-numbered pin JanJan posted on page 2 should be discussed. I also have one that's un-numbered and have always felt this pin is a fake. I've compared it with my original Deschler here so you can see the subtle differences. Note the ss runes are shorter and the FM letters are thinner. Being totally unmarked also gave me concern.The pin too is very thin and has a short ruff spiral. Raymond G.and I have discussed this pin in the past, and he thought that it could have been a salesman sample. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Regards, Mike C.
The reverse. The un-numbered pin doesn't have the same feel to it that the Deschler has.IMO.
Bringing this topic back around. Much good information to be found.
--dj--Joe
Hi,
First of all a big "HELLO" to everyone I know here. It took me some time but I have registered myself again after been lost my way for a while when this forum was refreshed.
Currently I'm very keen on political enamel, especially SS-zivil, FM awards and HJ honor awards.
Concerning the FM award -what this wonderful thread is all about- I have the following question:
Did any of you ever saw one of those very rare alpha codes. And is it true that one of them is written in gothic script?
And like everyone who's busy with this membership pin a break my head on those horrible alpha code's.
My last thought was that it could refer to distribution points all over Germany (like the I, II and III for SS daggers) but that makes no sense with the alpha code "S" that's especially used for the honor version???
Regards, Wim
Wim:
Nice to see you here at GDC. Welcome..
John
Wim, hello, nice to hear from you. Political enamel. A most interesting area to collect.
I'll see what else pertaining to your question may be in the older threads.
--dj--Joe
This thread may have some interest to you.
http://phpstack-500133-1583587.cloudwaysapps.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=216657&page=1
I performed a web search but found no information on Gothic Script.
--dj--Joe
Thanks for the search, Joe. I think it was supposed for the rare "J" badge. Maybe Raymond has seen an example? But it would be very odd to make one badge with another font. On the other hand, the Germans use to write a "J" shaped sign when they meant actually an "I" or "i". So it is even possible that it was originally intended as an "I" instead of a "J".
However... one picture of such an example would be soooo much easier to talk!
Regards, Wim
Bringing this BTTT to see if anyone has any examples or thoughts pertaining to Wim's question on Gothic script.
--dj--Joe
Bringing this BTTT to see if anyone has any examples or thoughts pertaining to Wim's question on Gothic script.
--dj--Joe
Thanks you, Joe. That thing is almost like a myth. Someone saw them, someone has to own them, but for some reason they don't find their way to a forum.
In fact the same counted for the story of the Otto Gahr SS-Zivilabzeichen with real silver pin locker. Some people clamed it exist, others found it even for Gahr a bit to fancy to make also the pin lockers from real silver. After a while an advanced collector told me he had one: a low numbered Gahr with solid silver locker and the documents of this bestowal orginated from H. Himmler. sadly, but understandable, he wasn't very keen to share pictures.
Regards, Wim
Once more back up perhaps some new info. ?
--dj--Joe