Any interest in marksmanship lanyards?
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Both views are rough if there is any interest I will attempt to scan one at a time.
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Hello, derjager! Good idea! There does'nt seem to be much interest in these lanyards but I think they're neat and really "dress-up" a tunic. Here is mine on a "signals" waffenrock. I believe it is the early 1936 style without swords. Regards, teufel

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Hi I am looking for an example for an artillary tunic. cheers, Ryan

hey,

i am not really familiar with these....I have seen them a lot...but am ignorant about their wear.

Did SS get these too, or did they have to wear that sleeve diamond with the bullseye on it. Now, that sleeve diamond I havent seen much.

These are great items to collect.Still inexpensive and a lot of collecting if you try collecting all of them.Army,Panzer,Luft and Navy.My first one was in a group of items I bought.It was a Luft very high grade with 2 flak shells.Shea gave me some info on it.Some day I'll learn to post photos

C.J.Conley, pretty sure these were just for the Wermacht- Heer,Luft,and KM..

Ryan , you could go with either the first or second pattern Heer like in Joes first photo, with no shells or they could have the metal shells on them..

My last one, sorry about the photo but its pinned shut in an old cracked glass display case.

A Panzer, first pattern with 2 metal shells..

I always thought these were interesting. Does anyone know of a reference book on these.

TKissinger

Reference. GermanArmy Uniforms and Insignia 1933-1945, by: Brian L. Davis, pages 54-57.

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Joe,good idea.These are a nice addition to a display but get very little mention.Army's are the most common,Luft and Navy seldom seen.I'll try and post individual photos tomorrow.

Thanks to every one who has posted! I have always found these interesting, just have not run across many at an affordable price.
Raymond, that is quite a display. I look forward to some close ups.


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Photos didn't come out that good.I was going to try again but got sidetract.Here are the ones I took.
1936 grade 1

1936 grade 2

1939 grade 1

1939 grade 2

1939 grade 2 (bottom)

grade 5,notice the wider wreath compared to the 1st-4th grades.

Grade 12,gold colored shield,slides and acorns.

Grade 12 (top)

Grade 12 (bottom)

I saw one of these a long time ago and turned it down because (better safe than sorry) the "armored"/ panzer lanyard looked like it was made of zinc or a kreigsmetal and the pins were brass wire.

could someone post a few pics of the "unmounted"/ unsewn lanyards?

I would like to see how they were made so if I run into one again.....its mine.

Grade 4 or 8 missing the shields for artillery.I had an extra shell and forgot to remove it before taking the photo.So ignore the one that has 4 shells only 3 are attached.

Shell made of aluminum.

Shell unscrewed

Threads

Last one,my panzer grade 1

Here are the loose shields.1936 grades 1-4,(3)1939 grades 1-4,grades 5-8 and grades 9-12.

backs

Here's one I really like for some strange reason.Someone rivited a ribbonbar backing to it.Anyone ever see a wartime photo of a strange looking GAB .

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Raymond,WOW! Very Nice! Great collection! Regards, teufel

Great and interesting thread... Can anyone give price ranges on these items....

Thanks

thanks for the photos Ray, great stuff.Yeah that pin back shield in very interesting.
Excellent thread..There is a interesting period photo floating around of a Panzer lanyard shield being worn for a Panzer assault badge!, G.

Thanks guys,glad you liked seeing them.Does anyone have Luftwaffe or Kriegsmarine lanyard?

Great thread. It took me a long time to even figure out what these things were.

Can any tell us the qualifications ?
Was it a yearly award where you had to re-qualify ?

Thanks
Dave

Some closeups.
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Hope these give some assistance in understanding the grades and watching out for repros and reworked 57's.

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Thanks derjager for the mini reference, think I'll copy the posts for reference.

TKissinger

TKissinger,
Thanks, I just added a smidge to what Raymond had already presented so well for us. Raymond, may I copy for my files some of the images you posted?
All, are more than welcome to save any images I post!

I hope I did not muddy the waters. These can be some what confusing. While I know what I mean by what I write, it may not always come across clearly. Any questions, please ask!

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As to qualification regulations the only reference I remember that refers to them is J.R. Angolia's, For Furher and Fatherland Military Awards of the Third Reich Vol.1, I can not at present quote from that volume.

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Joe, go right ahead and copy them.I just wish they could be of a better quality.
To quote from "For Führer and Fatherland","Each individual was required to qualify at each level or class with only one qualification recognized per year. Thus, it would require three years to qualify for the highest award.
"The award was rendered for excellence in shooting with the carbine,rifle,light MG and MG. Small arms qualifications consisted of a combined score with the rifle and MG,with minimum standards required at each grade.For example,awards 1-4 required that only four of six rifle rounds be in the bullseye at each of the three ranges,while 9-12 required five of six hits in the bullseye."

Raymond, thank you!
Thank you also for posting the qualification info.

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So i assume that everyone had to qualify, so if you qualified at the highest level it didn't count. I guess there is a lot about this I don't understand, guess I better get some more reference material.

TKissinger

TKissinger,
If you do come across the requirements for qualification I would appreciate seeing them also.

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Lou Bell, sorry it took me so long to reply to your question. Considering the items to be in excellent condition in my opinion a good pricing rule of thumb might start at $60.00 for grade 1 and add $15.00 increments for each grade up to grade 12.

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My post on pricing is in reference to Heer lanyards. Panzer lanyards would in my opinion rate higher and I do not know where Luftwaffe lanyards fall price wise.

Sorry for any confusion, again I knew what I was thinking, just didn't come across on the written page.
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No one has any others to add?
In wear photos?
Luftwaffe lanyards, Kreigsmarine lanyards?

Challenge my prices?

Comments, thoughts?

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I hate to see this thread stagnate! This is somewhat of an untouched area, much to learn!

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If anyone out there is into Luftwaffe lanyards would you please be so kind as to check and see if any have the protective covering to the long twisted cording section? It does not appear that the ones deptcted have it.
I just yesterday held a really nice 5th grade and it did not have the covering. Only the felt behind the upper part.

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Ahhh the thread final showed up>I couldn't find it

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#3Navy

#4 HJ ??

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#7None of my Lufts have a backing,the green one I was told is a HJ as it is a bit smaller.My first one was the luft gold with the two flak shells which I understand is rare.Bought that one with a couple of IC cased,War merit cased and assorted badges 20 pcs for $150.I was buying them at shows up north and at one time let a gold Luft with one flak shell go asking price at that time $110.I have a couple of Armys with accorns but we have seen them from others nothing special

Mr. Ed Martin, thanks for the reply. Thank you also for posting the examples from your collection. Glad you ran across the thread.
Item #4 looks to me like forestry, or hunting/shooting.

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DJ ,I do agree with you on the color.The reason I said possible HJ was info from a long time N.Y. collector.Also the lanyard is only 13" from end to end were as a standard one is 17".It also could be for a "junior" member of Foresty ?,I don't know if HJ was active in the foresty.

A luftwaffe lanyard, grade 1, I believe. Recent acquisition.
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Close up, obverse.
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Close up. reverse.
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Just got this lanyard, it has one silver acorn. Mike

RMS, nice pickup! Thanks for showing it. The plaque is silver?

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No, it is bronze color, there is some silver showing through on some highlights. Mike

Just got this lanyard a coupla days ago. Mike

RMS looks like your catching that lanyard fever.Two nice pieces and they can get to be habit forming.Always nice to add to a dagger or in a collection of items.They are real sleeper to me.

They are very interesting, I also got a really nice other ranks police buckle with it, it's an addiction can't help it. Mike

Hi Raymond ,How have you been?This is chris from delaware?been down here latly stop on by any time.I have one i seen you had one like mine ?mine has a gold gilt small wreath They say they never came this way?could you post a better picture of your gold looking small wreath one?Thanks.

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Please tell me what grade this is?

Ray,E-mail me i have a lot of stuff maybe you can stop on by?do you still have the ss poster and the other stuff ?

Hi Chris,it's good to hear from you again.It's been awhile since I've been to Delaware but, next time I'm down that way I'll let you know.Maybe the Pikesville show. I don't remember having an SS poster but, between having a bad memory and way to much stuff it's possible .
From what I know it looks like the piece has been replaced with the lower grade one.The device is for a grade 5 thru 8 and the lanyard is a grade 10.The color looks like silver with a coating of laquer that has yellowed over the years(this is why mine looks gold in the photo but silver in person).It could have been done wartime as mistakes do happen.How does the backing material look?It wouldn't be hard to replace it with the higher grade piece if you wanted.It still looks good the way it is now.

Hi,Nice to here from you to!I will take some pictures of the back?It looks gold in person also,but you might be right abought laquer?I think its m ore gold gilt but heck i might be wrong?What would be the value on this one?Do give me an e-mail or call maybe we can meet up at the show?

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Mike ff, that is indeed an interesting Heer lanyard. It could be feasible that old stock was implemented to fill a demand. Does the gilt wash appear old? It looks old from the image. Does the backing material appear undisturbed? All we need is a period picture to verify such practise.

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Well The back Was never messed with because the vet i got it from keept it in his trunk since he brong it over?The gilt wash looks very old and worn in the high spots?Could it be laquer?iam not sure on the two ?as it looks gold to me?

Acouple of photo's of my Heer "Gold" with two acorns

Shield

Acorns,I feel this is a gold Lanyard as the acorns are also gold. after 60 yrs. the coloring has changed to almost a bronze look.My Luft shown above has a true gold color to it.Also has the droop tail

P.S. we keep showing them and we may start a run on them

These are very nice lanyards! Keep'm coming!

Fritziii

Here are a couple of mine. I like the Luffwaffe the best.

Bringing this back around. Perhaps some new examples were obtained at the SOS.

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My Lanyards to date, looking for more.

Willie, thanks for sharing. looks like you will need another case.
Should you get the chance could you give us some close ups of the Gilt Tank award for our knowledge base?

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FYI a modern acorn. Available in all colors.

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Joe, here's a Navy i forgot I had. Not much to look at though.

Close up of the top.

The one interesting feature is a hook on the back. Do you know if this is a common feature on these?

Here's one I can't identify, it was hiding with the Navy. The disc is smaller, the lenght is shorter but the cord/knots are thicker. When I first bought it I thought HJ but looking in my books, the HJ didn't use these. Any ideas?

Close up of the disc. Maybe just another Navy?

Raymond, I don't know much about Navy lanyards. Wonder if the hook could have been used to hang a shell, acorn or torpedo from?

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Joe, I looked in Benders series on the Kriegsmarine and the acorn is in the same place as the Army. i laughed when you wrote torpedo but it does say "A 5cm long torpedo of 1 cm diameter cords intertwined blue and aluminum." Now that I would like to see. I think the hook is for attaching the top of the lanyard to the tunic. The Kriegsmarine uniforms don't have shoulder straps to hid the attachment button. I haven't looked at many Kriegsmarine uniform. Maybe at the next show.

Oh, the hook is at the top of the lanyard. I was thinking bottom loop. Excuse my misconception.

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Torpedo. B&W image.

Thanks for posting it Joe.

Here is my example.
Very attractive designs.

A new book came out on these and the Tank Destruction Strip. Bulls-Eye by Niel G Stewart and Lt Col Timothy J Curley. Plublished by Tiger III ISBN 978-0-9819-2950-7 . I got mine from www.ww2bks.com for $50. It comes in a nice protective slip cover.

Here is my Navy Lanyard on an NCO mess dress jacket.

According to For Fuhrer and Fatherland Navy Awards above Grade 4 had a metal shield with an anchor surrounded by oak leaves.They also had acorns ( different colors) winged shells , shells , and torpedos.The colors for the items were ;
1st Award - Black
2nd Award - Silver
3rd Award - Gilt
This is a great post and hopeful people will post items.Glad to see it has been revived

Lanyards are great aren't they.

Here are 2 of mine. What about the green one - is it a fake??

I'm looking for a high grade infantry and one with the metal shells if any one has one to spare.



Regards

Jamest8@madasafish.com

and a closer picture

JamesT, missed these when you first posted. I see you have replys to your forestry.
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...00097573/m/716108011
There is an example on this thread page 2.
An example of a panzer lanyard on page 1.

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I found this thread when looking to see if anyone had posted anything on Imperial Marksmanship lanyards (No luck, unfortunately).

Have a look at my Kriegsmarine lanyard, with single acorn.

David!

Acorn detail

Air Force Base Grade

And the subject that brought me to this. An imperial one for comparison. It is Prussian (because threads are red, white and black) and infantry or artillery (cavalry ones were worn on the opposite side). It is the base grade. Like KM ones in WW2, the base grades do not have a badge.

This cord is worse for wear, unfortunately, but still interesting.

Since this thread started, an excellent reference book on the subject has been published. It is called "Bulls-Eye" and written by Neil G Stewart and Lt Col (Ret) Timothy J Curley.

Well worth getting (I do not know the authors or have any interest in the book. I just liked it)

David!

Back of the imperial is odd. There is a fabric covered plate behind the rosette only. No rubbing strip to protect the majority of the cord (and it looks like it needed it).

I'm glad you found this thread. Thank you for showing your lanyards.

I was thinking somewhere on the forum there are some Imperial shooting lanyards. I haven't run across them yet but will continue to look as time allows. They may be in the archives.

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I actually have a few army lanyards as well, but couldn't be bothered posting them. There are lots of photos of them here, and mine are nothing special.

David!

David, thank you for the heads up on the reference book. I was not aware of it.

I'll keep looking for the Imperial lanyards.

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Does anyone have more examples or more information to add? Period in wear pictures would be appreciated.

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Joe here are mine Paul

Paul, nice display. Thank you. That must have taken some time to collect.

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Joe here is a good book on Lanyards by Stewart and Curley

Good tip, thank you. I haven't had an opportunity to look through that collectors reference. Does it cover the Luftwaffe or Kriegsmarine lanyards?

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I see your Kriegsmarine lanyard has the accepted 14 knots. Back on page 10 Raymond posted an example with 17 knots. I learn as I go so I now know the 17 knot to be a Bundeswehr period lanyard. I haven't heard from Raymond for awhile to let him know.

On page 11 Z06Berlin posted a 14 knot example with a single acorn on a jacket.

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Joe no Kriegsmarine or Luftwaffe.Just Army,Panzer Lanyards and Tank destruction Badges Paul

Paul, thank you.

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Hello all,

Here's my Heer marksmanship lanyard, grade 4, 3 acorns.

William Kramer

William nice Heer Lanyard with good pictures nice Paul

Bringing this thread from the past.

Here is my top-rare KM lanyard, unfortunately incomplete as 4th grade should have gilded shell with wings or torpedo.
Below is the complete one from eMedals inventory, unfortunately sold way before I saw it :-(

yeah! that IS nice!

One of my favorite items glad to see it brought up again.Now lets see some new ones

Here is a Luft piece I just picked up, comments appreciated! Kevin.

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Nice Navy Lanyard. Well displayed. Good luck on finding a gilt attachment for it. If I see one I will PM.

Kevin, your Luft. looks good to me.

Some age to this topic.
Anyone have anything new to share?

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Something not generally known:

German Marksmanship Lanyards may be earned by US Army personnel, but only worn by enlisted men (E1 - E9) on their dress uniforms.

Other US Military Branches I don't know.

A boost back to the top.

Any new items folks?

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