Winterschlacht Im Osten 1941/42.
Obverse.
--dj--Joe

Reverse.
--dj--Joe

I really like these medals, there is something special about them. Mike

reverse

Yeah always liked these.. I'm not saying its anything special,,its just a old pin, its been on there a long time. Thats the way I got it. . I have a few but this one is my favorite.

Agreed, there is something about these medals! Nice pin!

More, more, more, please.

--dj--Joe

These medals are great - the design and ribbon etc

Her's an example from my collection. Obverse:

This to me is a highly undervalued medal. Reverse:

I agree about it being an undervalued medal. Think what it took to earn the COLD MEAT MEDAL!

Here's mine.

Regards

Russell

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Regards

Russell

Looking good Gentlemen!

--dj--Joe

I wonder could we come up with a list of maker marks for this award?

--dj--Joe

Here is mine, probably unissued. Bought with a lifetime guarantee of originality. Now I need a document.

Came with ribbon bar.

Back side.

Ring stamped, either my eyes or camera doesn't focus enough to make it clear.

It looks like 541? Time to research.

Donnie, 541 would be too large a number. Could it be L/ something?
If you are like me you will have to get out the magnifiying glass.

--dj--Joe

Got these medals from the wife of a former German POW. Of course they had to be denazified. The frozen meat medal has a number on the ring but to small to see.
SSman

Back
SSman

hi all,here is my example of the russian front medal,,robert

of course,,the reverse

Looks like there are maker numbers on the rings of Joe's (top right medal), Jim's and SSman's.

I just checked mine again, which I thought was not numbered, and found it hiding under the ribbon - 127, for Moritz Hausch A.G., Pforzheim.

Regards

Russell

I looked at both of my medals and they both had a no. 8 on them, hard to read. Mike

Mike, number 8 is Ferdinand Hoffstätter, Bonn a. Rhein.

Can anyone else read their maker numbers on the rings?

Regards

Russell

I can not make mine out due to rust damage in that spot. The only section of the ring to rust and it had to be the maker mark.
Got a good look, it's a 10.
--dj--Joe

Thanks to Joe I can now see the number on my denazified frozen meat medal. It is L15. Could anybody tell me who that maker is?
SSman

L/15 = Otto Schickle, Pforzheim.

Link.
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/800097573/m/7760012084

Regards,--dj--Joe

Hello!

Here is the Winter Campaign medal along with others belonging to Fritz Klein, a Ski-Jaeger, and member of Ski-Batl."Schlebruegge", the first independent ski unit of the German Army during WWII.

This small grouping came with his Wehrpass,
Soldbuch and a photo of Herr Klein receiving his Ost Medal in an outside ceremony. During the winter of 1941-42 he was, according to his pass books, fighting in the battle for Moscow.

Hope you enjoy seeing the wartime history behind the medal.

Marcus

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Marcus, That is an excellent photo and a great grouping! Thanks, I certainly appreciated seeing it.

--dj--Joe

Great presentation photo - nice grouping!

Regards

Russell

Thank you Joe and Russell! There is nothing neater than to see wartime photos of the men and their articals that we now posses in our collections.

An interesting thing is that this page in Herr Klein's Soldbuch states that he received the Ost Medaille on August 3, 1942, yet we see him at the award ceremony several months later and there looks to be plently of snow. Therefore the date of Aug. 3 must be for the paper field award version of the Ost Medaille and he actually received the physical medal months later during the winter of 1942-43.

Also notice that Klein was awarded the Wound Badge in black only nine days after being awarded the Ost Medal. The grouping came with Klein's award documents for the KVKII and EKII.
Klein was wounded in the chest as the bullet passed through his tunic pocket. Just look at the hole made by the bullet through the KVK award. The Ost Medaille award document must have been completely destroyed, or why else would it not be included in the grouping.

Klein's KVKII award issued just 4 months before receiving the Ost Medal. His Ost medal was either destroyed too, or was lost during the war.

unfolded

First post here!
I have one marked 73, maker?

un_swe

un_swe,
Welcome.
73 is for, Franz Mänert, Gablonz.

Link.
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/800097573/m/7760012084

--dj--Joe

Here are a couple of my "frozen meat medals"
SSman
Front

Back

SSman..L/15. Otto Schickle. Pforzheim

A very prestigious maker of high end awards, they made a bit of everything it seems..

Has anyone ever seenthe maker variant with the grenade shaped like a lightning bolt?

Never have seen that variant Kursk. Do you have a picture of one?
SSman

Kursk, I do not recall seeing or reading anything about a variant.

--dj--Joe

hmm..where did i place that reference? ..it was an early issue piece..i remember it well..i will look for you guys..definately a real oddity,and one to keep your eyes peeled for..

Let's keep this one going. Any one wish to compile the maker marks found up to now?

--dj--Joe

Joe, here is the list so far:

8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim

Regards
Russell

here is mine it is marked 76

back

Nice one bertastan!

76 is Ernst L. Müller, Pforzheim

Will update the list when we get some more of these great medals.

Regards
Russell

Russell, thanks for compiling the list and for posting your example on page 1.

Stan, thanks, good conditioned example. Those stands add a nice touch..

--dj--Joe

Any more of these medals and makers out there?
We have, so far:

quote:

8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
76 = Ernst L. Müller, Pforzheim
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim

Regards
Russell

I have:
3= Wilheim Deumer
7= Paul Meyhauer
10= Foerster & Barth
13= Gustav Brehmer
100= Rudolf Wachtler & Lange
107= Carl Wild
110= Otto Zappe
I also have a unmarked Rudolf Souval(#98) in the packet. An empty packet for Friedrich Keller(#66). Also a couple I'm having trouble reading.

un_swe, can you post a photo of your medal? Especially the makers mark. I have one that looks like #73 but I think it's a #13 with a die flaw through the 1.

Here's one of mine with an interesting ribbon.

Obverse.

kevin

And the reverse.

kevin

Kevin, that's a nice one. I like when the medals have the Austrian style ribbon. What is the makers mark?

Raymond,

Maker Mark: I'll get a magnifying glass tomorrow.

Everyone is right, I've always thought these were cool also.

Here's one with the envelope.

I should probably post this too just for completeness.

- kevin

Raymond: I'm pretty sure it's a "110" stamped on the ring of the Austrian style ribbon medal I posted.

- kevin

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin S.:
Raymond: I'm pretty sure it's a "110" stamped on the ring of the Austrian style ribbon medal I posted.

- kevin

Thanks Kevin. They really are an atractive medal, especially in mint condition. Having the document makes it even better. I'll try an take some photos this weekend, it's usually dark by the time I get home from work.

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--dj--Joe

Great stuff gents. If you've got one or more, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring.

Updated list so far:

3 = Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
100 = Rudolf Wächtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim

Others:

66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal

Regards
Russell

I never gave my packet a thought. It is marked Paul Meybauer, Berlin. The medal that came in it is unmarked.After closer observation I see a 7.

--dj--Joe

If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

3 = Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
100 = Rudolf Wächtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim

Others:

7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin, marked packet, un-marked medal
66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal

Regards
Russell

Hello All, Great medals! Here's mine, wish I had the packet! Regards, Leipzig

reverse

#13 front

#13 back

#13 MM

#3 front

#3 back

#3 MM

#10 front

#10 back

#10 MM

#107 front

#107 back

#107 mm

#110 front

#110 back

#110 mm

Unmarked Souval

Front

Back

maker

#7

#7 front

#7 back

#7 mm

maker on packet

#100

#100 maker packet

#100 front

#100 back

#100 mm

Keller packet

Maker.

#13 or 73? This one has a different finish that the #13 I already posted. Maybe a later made one.

back.

mm. The die flaw is hard to see in the photo but under a loop it's clear (well at least to me it is).

This one I can't tell. I was thinking #80 or #85 at first but the style remindes me of #65. Any thoughts?

Back..

MM..

Unmarked.

unmarked back

second unmarked

second unmarked back

this ones missing the ring

back...

Here's one I forgot about, as I hadn't put it with the others. An unmarked Deschler(#1).

First time in the fresh air in over 60 years.

Back....

Maker on packet. The dealer had one out that was marked and I thought this one would be also as it was from the same hoard. I'll pick up a marked one next time I see him.

Stickpins front.

Stickpins back

Here's another #13 with a different finish than the first one.

#13 back..

#13 mm..

First document.

close up

2nd document

Close-up and last one.

Just remembered I had all the douments and paper work to a Unteroffizier. I checked and found another one.

Close-up, and last one. No, really I mean it this time.

Raymond, I think it could be a 73 instead of 13. Compared with the other 13's shown, the '1' looks to be angled, not straight up and down like the others. Not sure about the other one, can you post some more pics of the number? Great medals!

If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

3 = Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
100 = Rudolf Wächtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim

Others:

1 = Deschler & Sohn, München, marked packet, un-marked medal
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin, marked packet, un-marked medal
66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal

Regards
Russell

Enjoying this immensely.

--dj--Joe

Hello all,

Here is my 110 marked example.

William Kramer

Reverse.

Maker 110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz.

Ray, quite a collection thanks for sharing,here is a variant of the document....DAVE H

CLOSEUP

#3

Hi Dave, thanks. Nice document. I haven't seen you for awhile. Maybe I'll see you at Allentown or Tottowa. Happy New Year.

Very nice medals and documents! Raymond, can you post a clearer pic of the number that you can't identify? Could it be a 98 or 86?

Regards
Russell

My camera just doesn't get a good clear image that close up. I used a little white paint to try and highlight it. This is the best I could get. Looks like #65 but i'd want to see one that's unquestionably marked 65 to be sure.

Russel, I think your correct on the #73. I looked with them side by side and the 7 is angled more than the 1 on the upright part but less angled on the top part(if that makes any sence). The 3 is also shaped diferently.

Raymond, it does look like a 65 from your pic. I enhanced the image to try and make it stand out more.

Anyone got a 65 for comparison?

Regards
Russell

Here is my latest medal got it at an auction today it is marked no 4. Mike

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#117 Zimmermann..Pforzheim ????

Closeup m/m..........DAVE H

Mike, 4 = Steinhauer & Lück, Lüdenscheid
Dave, 117 = Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal

Nice medals gents, keep them coming!

Regards
Russell

If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Updated list:

3 = Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid
4 = Steinhauer & Lück, Lüdenscheid
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
100 = Rudolf Wächtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
117 = Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim

Others:

1 = Deschler & Sohn, München, marked packet, un-marked medal
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin, marked packet, un-marked medal
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim, marked packet
66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal

Regards
Russell

Just bringing this back again - post them if you've got them!

Regards
Russell

Here are 3 more I picked up. First is a marked #65 in the packet. Unfortunately someone removed the name from the back of the packet.

** As usual I started taking photos and forgot that the medal came with the wrong packet. This is a "Westwall" medal packet.**

Reverse.

Front.

Back.

MM.

2nd is a maker marked #93 (Richard Simm & Sohne, Gablonz). Front

Back..

MM..

3rd is a unmarked example with the packet marked "Julius Maurer, Oberstein/Nabe" (LDO # would be 138). The strange thing is the packet doesn't have the medal name on the front.

Reverse...

Packet mm.

Front of medal.

Back...

I just got this one today.

You guys are doing great finding these. I haven't had an example show up localy for years now.

--dj--Joe

Nice medals gents!

Jamie, is yours marked on the ring?

Will update the list when we get a few more.

Regards
Russell

Here is another Russian Front medal. The number on the ring appears to be 14, but I must admit that it could be 74. It is difficult to tell. Also, I have added pix of an Iron Cross. The number on the ring appears to be 27 can you provide any maker info for that number? Thanks, R.W.

back of medal

ring number

iron cross front

iron cross back

iron cross ring number

quote:

Originally posted by Ruski:
Nice medals gents!

Jamie, is yours marked on the ring?

Will update the list when we get a few more.

Regards
Russell

No it's not marked.

Thanks Jamie. As there's no conclusive link to the maker, I'll list it as unmarked.

RW, the EK number 27 is for Anton Schenkl's, Wien.

Can you provide a macro image of the number on the Ostmedal? Looks like 74 to me rather than 14, as the first number has a horizontal line instead of angled down. We have no others of either number to compare with at this stage.

Regards
Russell

Here is the closest pic I can get of the Ostmedal ring number.

Great pic! I think it's more likely 14 from this one - any other opinions?

Regards
Russell

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ruski:
Great pic! I think it's more likely 14 from this one - any other opinions?

Looks like 14 to me.

Is that a line for the base of a 1 or a crossed 7 ?

--dj--Joe

Good point Joe! There appears to be an extension to both numbers below the horizontal lines as well. We need another to compare, or another sharper image to be sure.

Regards
Russell

I think these medals are the best:

Here is mine.MM 13

The back .Sorry about the photos shot them without flash.

Fitzer, ttaegis - can you post a pic of the ring stampings?

Regards
Russell

If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.


Updated list:

3 = Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid
4 = Steinhauer & Lück, Lüdenscheid
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
65 = Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
93 = Richard Simm & Söhne, Gablonz
100 = Rudolf Wächtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
117 = Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim

Others:

1 = Deschler & Sohn, München, marked packet, un-marked medal
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin, marked packet, un-marked medal
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim, marked packet
66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal
138 = Julius Maurer, Oberstein/Nabe, marked packet with no medal description, un-marked medal

To be confirmed with pics:
14 or 74 marked medal

Regards
Russell

Great job Russell.

Picked up a few more this weekend. First is a #18.

Back.

MM #18.

Another #7. The ring ia made from a different material than the other one.

Back..

MM #7.

Maker # 76.

Back...

Makers mark #76.

This one looks like a #20.

Back....

MM.

The last one is unmarked but has a smaller ring than usual.

Back.....

Nice pickups Raymond! I'll add these to the list when we get a few more.

Regards
Russell

If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Regards
Russell

Packet, Paul meybauer, Berlin SW 68

--dj--Joe

Obverse.

Reverse.

Close up.

BTTT, any other packets, medals or maker marks?

--dj--Joe

If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Updated list:

3 = Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid
4 = Steinhauer & Lück, Lüdenscheid
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
18 = Karl Wurster, Markneukirchen
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim
65 = Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
76 = Ernst L. Müller, Pforzheim
93 = Richard Simm & Söhne, Gablonz
100 = Rudolf Wächtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
117 = Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim
Un-marked medal with smaller than usual hanging ring

Others:

1 = Deschler & Sohn, München, marked packet, un-marked medal
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin, marked packet, un-marked medal
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim, marked packet
66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal
138 = Julius Maurer, Oberstein/Nabe, marked packet with no medal description, un-marked medal

To be confirmed with pics:
14 or 74 marked medal

Regards
Russell

BTTT. If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Regards
Russell

What do you guy's think about this one, at first I thought it was a copy but now I'm not so sure, it's not marked, and see the small hole or impression on the side, it appears to be bent a little out of round where the hole is. Any and all comments welcome.

thanks

Is it made of zinc? I know they have been reproduced but I do not have a repro example to compare. Have seen some misshapen examples of which this is not one.
The hole could be where dirt or some foreign object was caught in the die. Glue from a scrap book?
Does it compare size wise to other examples?

--dj--Joe

Is it made of zinc? Yes

Glue from a scrap book? No idea.

Does it compare size wise to other examples? It appears to be the same size and weight as the other one I have. Not that it means any thing but it's ribbon doesn't glow under a blacklight.

Jamie,, yers ago 'Pieces of History' out of AZ. made an excelltn repro..
Problems were,,slightly lighter, and slightly flater otherwise a really good copy and wish my buddy kept it for reference! There is currently another good fake being offered with a issue bag. I'll try and find the site with the photos and post..

IF, yours is good size wise and weight, and the details are there its probably a good one..

I think this medal as well as GABs,silver wound badges, and War Service medals are to the point now that no one can tell the difference anymore between a good one and fake!

Here's the front of 2 unmarked examples

Back of the 2 unmarked examples.

Dean, two nice examples. Thanks for sharing.

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Update on my Meybauer packeted medal. It is marked on the inside curve of the ring with a 7 laying on it's side.
Will attempt to get a scan but it's a difficult spot. I've had it for 30 some years and just yesterday stumbled across the mark.

--dj--Joe

My contribution. Unmarked but with a fair bit of frosting left

The reverse

Laurence, that is a fine example.

--dj--Joe

I like these straight from the vet mint unissued.

mint

back

maker

Those are sweet

They are nice. Spencer V., are they ring marked 108?

I finally got a read on the maker of my second example with the spot of rust. 10 for, Foerster & Barth.
Revised my original image.

--dj--Joe

Hey Joe

They are diffently Arno Wall Pach. I have noticed that this company made alot of Russian front medals.

Nice medals gents. Spencer, can you show a pic of the maker number on the ring(s)?

Regards
Russell

Here's a recent addition. Maker is Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart.

Back.

Maker's mark, #6. . This is the only maker's mark that I've seen with a period after the number. Did any other maker do this?

Keeps us from guessing if it's a 6 or a 9 that way.

--dj--Joe

I'd guess it's a 6 with a period as Raymond suggests. Perhaps when we see another one without a dot, it will be a 9. May have been done to distinguish between the two makers? Has anyone seen it on any other type of medal as well?

Regards
Russell

I'm usually lucky if I can make out the numbers let alone see a period. Anyone got an example of an EKII by Fritz Zimmermann? That might tell.

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Check page #77 in THE IRON CROSS of 1939 by: Gordon Williamson.
The example by Friedrich Keller apears to have a period. (66.)

--dj--Joe

Joe, it does look like a period on the Friedrich Keller. I don't have an example to check with but maybe I'll find one this weekend.
On both the EKII ans EKI there is a period after the 6. I wonder what Liefergsmeinschaft Scmuckhandwerker (#9) used? Gordon doesn't list this maker in his book on EK's but I think I saw it listed as a maker of EKII's on WAF.
Here's the MM #6 on an EKII.

EKI.

I've discovered no images of 9's.
It's good to know about the 6. and 66. both having periods.

--dj--Joe

Any updates? Any additions?

--dj--

If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Updated list:

3 = Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid
4 = Steinhauer & Lück, Lüdenscheid
6. = Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
18 = Karl Wurster, Markneukirchen
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim
65 = Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
76 = Ernst L. Müller, Pforzheim
93 = Richard Simm & Söhne, Gablonz
100 = Rudolf Wächtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
117 = Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim
Un-marked medal with smaller than usual hanging ring

Others:

1 = Deschler & Sohn, München, marked packet, un-marked medal
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin, marked packet, un-marked medal
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim, marked packet
66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal
108 = Arno Wallpach Metallwarenfabrik, Salzburg, marked packet, un-marked medal
138 = Julius Maurer, Oberstein/Nabe, marked packet with no medal description, un-marked medal

To be confirmed with pics:
14 or 74 marked medal

Regards
Russell

BTT

Russell, was thinking of this thread a few days ago.
I finally got a read on the marks on my medals so the Paul Meybauer marked packet does have a 7 marked medal with it. Thanks for keeping the list updated and your continued interest and contributions.

This thread has many excellent images and much valuable information. Keep up the good work all.

--dj--Joe

The 7 is towards the inside of the ring laying on it's side.

Picked up 3 more. 1 marked 108, 1 marked 100 and 1 marked but unledgable.
Front of #108

Back.

Makers mark.

Front of #100.

Back..

Makers mark..

Marked but unledgable.

Back...

MM.

Raymond, that 108 is a good looking piece.

--dj--Joe

Nice medals Raymond! Maybe there is some dirt in the illegible one that could be removed with a toothpick?

If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Updated list:

3 = Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid
4 = Steinhauer & Lück, Lüdenscheid
6. = Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
18 = Karl Wurster, Markneukirchen
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim
65 = Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
76 = Ernst L. Müller, Pforzheim
93 = Richard Simm & Söhne, Gablonz
100 = Rudolf Wächtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
108 = Arno Wallpach Metallwarenfabrik, Salzburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
117 = Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L/15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim
Un-marked medal with smaller than usual hanging ring
? = illegible marked medal, page 9

Others:

1 = Deschler & Sohn, München, marked packet, un-marked medal
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin, marked packet, marked medal
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim, marked packet
66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal
108 = Arno Wallpach Metallwarenfabrik, Salzburg, marked packet, un-marked medal
138 = Julius Maurer, Oberstein/Nabe, marked packet with no medal description, un-marked medal

To be confirmed with pics:
14 or 74 marked medal

Regards
Russell

Thanks Joe & Russel. I've tried cleaning it and paint like they do on firearms, no luck.

Btt. If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Regards
Russell

hi guys just fount this thread here are two of mine, the winter campaigns ring is unmarked and the merit with swords is marked with a 57 on the ring
thanks adam

This medal is marked 6 or 9 or g maybe,looks unused.

must be a 6

pic 3

last pic

Just read through this post very interesting,no more guessing 6 with a period.

Here's a few more I picked up. First is an unmarked one but in the packet. Unfortunately it's also unmarked.

Front.

Back.

Front of the packet. I like the way they printed the contents side ways. I wonder how many did it this way?

Front of mm#4 (Steinhauer & Luck)

Back #4

MM#4

Next is marked L/15 (Otto Schickle).

Back of L/15.

MM L/15

Looks like #1 (Deschler & Sohn)

Back..

MM #1.

This one looks like #25.

Back...

MM#25

This last one is in the packet but the number on the medal ring isn't clear and the possibilities don't match the packets mm. Maybe they purchased the medal/packet from another company to fill an order?

Front....

Back....

The makers mark isn't perfect. At first I thought it was L/19(Ferkinand Hoffstatter) then L/12(C.E.Juncker) with the bottom of the 2 missing. The packet is marked Steinhauer & Lück) but their LDO number is L/16. What does it look like to you guys?

And last the packet mm.

Raymond, nice additions. I do not recall having seen a packet with the sideways blue writing on it before.
The last medal looks to me to be an L/12 with the bottom line missing on the 2.

--dj--Joe

Guys there is so much info in this thread it should be pinned at the top of this section IMO

We can do that. Too much up there now what do you all feel should be unpinned?

Dont think it matters how much stuff is pinned where its readily available perhaps we should consider a new forum for pinned threads with an explanation that some of the best info on the subjects represented is permanently stored in that forum for ease of access

Great to see this thread is still running well - check your medals and packets and post them here. Looking for another 14 or 74 to confirm the marking of a medal on page 6.

I think the last one looks like L/12 as well - perhaps we'll get to see another for comparison.

If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Updated list:

1 = Deschler & Sohn, München
3 = Wilhelm Deumer, Lüdenscheid
4 = Steinhauer & Lück, Lüdenscheid
6. = Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin
8 = Ferdinand Hoffstätter Bonn a. Rhein
10 = Foerster & Barth, Pforzheim
13 = Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
18 = Karl Wurster, Markneukirchen
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim
25 = A.G. der Graveur-,Gold-und Silverschmeid-Innungen, Hanau
65 = Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
73 = Franz Mänert Gablonz
76 = Ernst L. Müller, Pforzheim
93 = Richard Simm & Söhne, Gablonz
100 = Rudolf Wächtler & Lange, Mittwaida
107 = Carl Wild, Hamburg
108 = Arno Wallpach Metallwarenfabrik, Salzburg
110 = Otto Zappe, Gablonz
117 = Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
127 = Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim
L15 = Otto Schickle Pforzheim
Un-marked medal with smaller than usual hanging ring - page 7
? = illegible marked medal, page 9


Others:

1 = Deschler & Sohn, München, marked packet, un-marked medal
7 = Paul Meybauer, Berlin, marked packet, marked medal
20 = C.F. Zimmermann, Pforzheim, marked packet
66 = Friedrich Keller, Oberstein, marked packet, no medal
98 = Rudolf Souval, Wien, marked packet, un-marked medal
108 = Arno Wallpach Metallwarenfabrik, Salzburg, marked packet, un-marked medal
138 = Julius Maurer, Oberstein/Nabe, marked packet with no medal description, un-marked medal
L/16 = Steinhauer & Lück, Lüdenscheid, marked packet, L/1? (L/12)? marked medal - page 10
Unmarked medal in unmarked packet, packet printed in large font, sideways - page 9

To be confirmed with future pics:
14 or 74 marked medal - page 6

Regards
Russell

Just got this today. Stamped 19 on the loop. Checked every page of this thread and did not see one stamped 19! According to the numbers 19 would be for E. Ferd Wiedmann Frankfurt am Main. Has the zinc bubbling which is common to these. The picture of number is not perfect but goos enough to see it is definately 19. Tyhe number is stamped on the front.

Front

Back
SSman

Makers number 19
SSman

Nice one - yes, this is the first '19' seen so far. I will update the list again when we get a few more medals and packets posted.

Regards

Russ

Here's my frozen meat medal #19

close-up

Ruski. At least I know there is more than one 19 out there! Thanks for the pictures of yours Walter. Atleast now I know the number 19's were actually made.
SSman

If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Regards

Russ

BTT. If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Regards

Russ

This is my only one for the moment but certainly not the last.No MM

BTT. If you've got one or more medals, please post pics and the makers mark on the ring. Also, details of any packets for the medals as well.

Regards

Russ

Here are the only two I have.

The first pictured is MM 10

This one is a 33 Corrected to 93.

Hi Guys

Thought I would share an Ost front Doc I have. I think this one is a nice set up with the stamps, etc. and of course...Check the Awardee's name!!!

Nice! I'm always on the look out for "Kirchen" stuff as well, which I've not yet found. Though its not quite as common a name as others.

Nice medals and document!

Adam, yours is the first 33 - can you post a pic of the number on the ring?

Regards

Russ

Sorry after an hour or so of trying to get the correct focus with a magnifying glass I realized my eyes failed me it appears to be a 93.

Please correct my previous post moderator, changing the 33 to a 93.

BTTT.

Maker: Eugen Schmidthäussler, Pforzheim.
Ring is unmarked.

more photo

reverse

Maker Rudolf Wächtler & Lange. Mittweida
Ring is marked "100".

more

Reverse.

Reverse again

Ring with "100" mark.

Janos

Janos, thank you.

--dj--Joe

Here is mine, marked 13 Gustav Brehmer Markneukirchen/Sa on ring:

R.R., thanks.

Many great images on this thread, thanks to all for sharing. Always looking forward to seeing more.

--dj--Joe

Here are three, which I have now in my stock.
first one has maker 88
second one has maker L15
and the last has 65

Best, Lukas.

Lukas, thank you. The 88 looks like an earlier tombac base metal medal.

--dj--Joe

Any more folks? Some great pictures posted so far.
I appreciate the opportunity to see them all.

--dj--Joe

Arrived today mm #19 - Ferdinand E. Wiedmann

Ricardo, your Wiedmann is in great condition.

--dj--Joe

Wonderful example RR.
I had one of these a few months back in tombac, 1st I've ever seen. Truly a beauty if I can find the pic I'll post it.

Hello everyone, I am small time collector from Serbia, I am new on this forum, so pardon me if I make some mistakes. This is my first Russian campaign medal, I also like them very much.

more of mine.

Welcome Desimir,
It appears to be in nice condition. Can you make out the number on the ring?

--dj--Joe

Thank you. Well I have a lot of problems with resizeing and posting pics. On the original pic, maker mark is visible, but now I see its not so good, anyway the number is 110 otto zappe from Koblenz, Ill post new pic of the back of case

here are more pics.

It's nice to have the matching paper packet.

Regards, --dj--Joe

Yes indeed. Can anyone post some pics of wearing this single medal???
Regards.

I only recall ever seeing the ribbon in wear. A single medal in wear would be something to see.

--dj--Joe

Anyone got anything new for this venerable thread?
Some in wear pictures?
Paper packets?

--dj--Joe

My first German medal, purchased at a flea market when I was 9 or 10 back in the early 1970's. If I remember correctly the seller had a large jar full of them...

Here is one that has not been posted. This is an early 1957 version of the award made by S&L in the late 1950s. This version of the medal, manufactured without the swastika, could be worn by veterans or on the Bundeswehr uniform. The ribbon for the award remained the same as shown on the postwar ribbon bar.

Thanks for posting the 57 version. Appreciated.

--dj--Joe

Time passes quickly.

Does anyone have anything new for this venerable thread?
Some in-wear pictures?
Paper packets?
Period advertisements?

--dj--Joe

Hear is my in-wear picture.

This is probably a solider and his wife.

I believe the 3rd ribbon from the left is the Russian front ribbon.

The back of the picture is marked: "1944, NACH DER OPPERATION" or 1944, AFTER THE OPERATION.

The third ribbon does appear so. Appreciated. Nice picture.

--dj--Joe

This thread has been silent for a while. Anyone have something to add? Marked packets. In wear pictures, miniatures, period advertisement's, documents?

--dj--Joe

heres my winter medal

Cameron,
Good conditioned medal. Is the ring marked?
Nice to have a document to display with the award.

--dj--Joe