Sorry Joe, I hadn't forgotten, just hadn't got around to sorting the pictures.

I do think this badge is very underated. They look quite plain in the hand, but once magnified they shine out.

Generally, we only see the ones made by Carl Poellath, but they were made buy other manufacturers as well. Lets see if we can find the others, please post them if you have them.

To start off here is the common Poellath.

Cheers
Don

Here's the unmarked 20 yr. I assume Poellath made all of the anniversary ones, but I don't know.

Cheers
Don

Unmarked 25 yr

Now for the variants.

W. Deumer. Noticable differences compared to the Poellath.

I narrowly missed this one a few weeks back, reputed to be marked Konr. Seiboth Gablonz Neisse.

Unfortunately, only the front shown, but again, noticable differences.

Cheers
Don

Here is my contribution.
Ferd. Wagner. Pforzheim
Obverse.

Ferd. Wagner. Pforzheim
Reverse.

Nice one Joe.

I wonder how many makers of these there were? I doubt that we will get any more posted

Cheers
Don

Thanks Don. I also appreciate the design of these small badges. You have assembled a nice collection.
I am in hopes there will be more contributors.
I like the way you can post obverse and reverse images side by side. My photo fix program will not let me do that.

--dj--Joe

Well Don, it appears you were correct! "It endeth here"!

I will keep my eyes open for other examples.

--dj--Joe

Don, found this one today at the American Eagle Military Show in Totowa n.j. ......DAVE H

Reverse

Dave,

Thanks for posting the image, can you get a better shot of the front please?

This one worries me as the pin keeper is the type used on fakes. So far I have not seen one used on a pre 1945 badge. This could prove my theory that these have been faked as well

The reverse matches well the known Frank & Reif shown below. Sorry for the poor images but they aren't mine & the badge was sold before I got to it

Cheers
Don

The front, note the curved edge to the wings on yours Dave. Is the head as detailed as on this one?

Cheers
Don

Hi Don, thanks for your information,upon closer examination,,check where the word "deutscher" is,it is mispelled :deOtscher.....DAVE H

My god, so it is! Thanks for the extra pic, sorry that you've got a dummy there but I think we've learn't something from it.

Cheers
Don

Don,
I know someone with Konr.Seiboth pin,is it worth $45.00?? DAVE H

Obviously it would depend on it's condition, but if I felt that it was a good'n & in a nice condition, then I would jump at it for $45.

Get some snaps if you can & we'll take a peek.

Good luck Dave

Don

Don, Here is the Konr. Seiboth.....DAVE H

Reverse

bottom reverse

Thanks for posting it Dave.

As I suspected from the small picture I found of this makers badge, a very distinct style of eagle.

This is the first time that I've seen the reverse of these, I like the pin set up.

Cheers
Don

Not sure what to make of this one.....

Frank & Reif.

Definitely not the bad fake encountered above by Dave H. Here are my observations.

The badge matches in size (w+h) to the other makes but is very heavy & thicker compared to the others.

I have a feeling that the eagle is possibly cast, there is a distict line on the edge in some places, between the neck & wing elbow/joint for instance.

Compared to the poor pictures I posted of a supposedly good one of this maker, the font used on the maker mark looks slightly different.

If this maker is a genuine one for these badges, then it would be the ideal candidate to fake because of the type of pin attachment utilised. Question is, is this an original, or is this a good fake on which Dave H's poor fake was based?

Either way, look closely at the spelling of Deutscher & you can see why the mistake was made on the one shown by Dave H.

Any ideas?

Cheers
Don

Don, is the eagle on the Frank & Reif piece made of aluminum? If so, can you tell how it is attached to the badge?

--dj--Joe

I'm not totally sure of either answer.

The eagle:

is not made of the same dull material as the others. It is a shiny white metal, the whole badge (including the eagle) is non magnetic. The size if the eagle is exactly the same as the other manufacturers including depth, whereas the badge itself is thicker.

Attachment:

My initial thoughts were that it was glued/soldered in some way. However I'm not even sure about that now. The eagle is solidly attached, no play or movement to it. A fraction of a gap is visible between one wing & the badge on one side. But even with a high power loupe nothing can be seen inside.

However, if you look closely at the pin plate on the back, there are two small protruberances either side of the pin. Now these could be blobs of unmelted solder under the plate, or could they possibly be rivits?

There are two sets of guides either side of the pin at the end of the plate, but these are short & do not continue under the plate. If you hold the badge up to the light & look down the length of the pin, you can just see under the plate between the pin & back of the badge. It can be seen that the guides do not go any further, & that there are no other obsticles there. Unfortunately, you can not see what the two protruberances are either.

I dusted off the camera as the scanner sometimes distorts colour because of the bright light. I have also tried to show one of the protruberances & the guides.

First the eagle. Shiny white metal.

Cheers
Don

One of the protruberances can just be seen in the centre of the yellow square, it's the lighter worn area.

A different angle. Can you see the slight "hill" between the edge of the plate & the centre where the pin sits.

Finally one of the sets of guides at each end of the pin. These are short, approx 4mm in length & do not extend under the plate.

Great photos. IMO the eagle would appear to be rivited under the pin plate.

--dj--Joe

That's my thought Joe.

Between you, me & any other people sad enough to be reading this thread I'd love to take it apart to find out......

I think I'll keep an eye out for another. If the price is low enough I might just do it

Cheers
Don

Don, for me this is an interesting and informative thread!
I wonder how the eagle is attached to the repro. Frank & Reif ? No room under that pin plate for rivets!

--dj--Joe

Excellent informative presentation!

Sorry for bringing this one up to the top again. No news on the Frank & Reif yet.

However some of you know that I also collect portraits of badges in wear, failing that I hunt for mitglieds kartes/buchs showing the symbol. I find this sometimes helps me clarify that the badges did indeed exist during the period & aren't pure fantasy. For some time I've been hunting info for this organisation without any success. Considering how common the pins are, pictures & membership documents are rarer than hens teeth! I contacted all the doc collectors I know & none had ever seen one.

Last week I had some success as this isn't the paperwork area I've put a badge in the picture as an excuse

Cheers
Don

Nice find Don! Somewhere I have seen a tinnie with a Kleingartner image. Will have to do some searching.

--dj--Joe

Thanks Joe, please do as I've never seen one.

Cheers
Don

Still searching. Since I am specifically searching for it, I of course can not find it. Probably have passed over it a couple of times. I'm sure it's an image of the badge on a flag.

--dj--Joe

Here it is.

Excellent! Well done my friend, I've never seen one..... I'll have to keep my eye out for it

Cheers
Don

Don, some more Kleingartner examples to view in the following thread.

Link no longer valid.

--dj--Joe

Thanks for the link Joe, great to see the 50yr. Those babies are real hard to find, I only know of one other in a collection

Cheers
Don

I've found another maker. BH Mayer, Pforzheim. The pin plate resembles those used by Deumer.

Cheers
Don

Don,
Nice find! How you keep finding these is beyond me.
I hope your fortune continues.

--dj--Joe

Thanks Joe, it'a all down to pure fanaticism & insanity

Here's a brooch for Frauen & Töchter. It doesn't really belong here I suppose but what the heck...

These came in four types, two silver "hellsilberfarben" & "altsilberfarben" & two gold "hellgoldfarben" & "altgoldfarben". Basically brightly polished or aged, this is the "altgoldfarben" or old gold version.

Cheers
Don

Reverse, simply marked Ges.Gesch 1

I think the brooch is well suited in this thread. I never new they existed. Another nice find!

Regards,--dj--Joe

This had to be a huge organization and this brooch is a first for me also great now watch them come out of the woodwork real ones I hope

Thought I'd bring this one back to the top to see if anyone else has any to share?

Cheers

Don

I hope someone does. I do not run across these anywhere I look.
For the last year or so I have not run across much of anything I am searching for from site listings or my one show. It's been a slow year.

--dj--Joe

Anything new? Pins, tinnies, non portable awards?

--dj--Joe

Not for me, I'm hunting a 50 yr. I know of two in collections but never see one being offered

Cheers
Don

Don, will keep my eyes open for you. I do not have any of the dated examples. Was the order 20,25,50? No 10 or 40 year?

Regards, --dj--Joe

quote:

Originally posted by derjager:
Don, will keep my eyes open for you. I do not have any of the dated examples. Was the order 20,25,50? No 10 or 40 year?

Regards, --dj--Joe

Joe,

They come in 10, 20, 25 & 50 years.

Cheers
Don

Thanks Don, should I see a 50 I will let you have at it. I might see if I can find a 10 for my collection.

--dj--Joe

Thanks Joe.

Good luck finding the 10, they're harder to find than the 20 & 25's .

Cheers
Don

Thanks to Joe who posted a link to this on another thread, I've been reading through it again.

I didn't realise that I hadn't posted my "altsilberfarben" brooch for Frauen & Töchter that I picked up a couple of years ago.

The gold version is on the page before this....

Cheers
Don

Don,

These are two exceptional pins, I never saw them before either.
Super oak leaf patterns and really a great design overall. Hope you'll be able to find all the variants someday.

Appreciate you sharing tasty bits like these with us!

Best regards!

Bill

Very nice Don. Now to find the illusive inwear photo.

--dj--Joe

Thank you Gentlemen, I'm glad that you liked it.

Joe,
I my dreams! I'd be happy with a pic of the standard badge in wear

However, I picked this up this week & thought that I would share. An Urkunde presenting the newly created Reichsbund badge to the Vereinsleiter in recognition of his service & contributions.... Dated Sept 1938, so now we know when the badge was introduced.

I wonder whether the one that came with the Ukunde was cased?

The front cover is embossed with an image of the badge, I included a close up scan of that.

Cheers
Don

This has been quiet for some time let's see what a trip to the top will do.

--dj--Joe

I'm still keeping a sharp lookout but not seeing 10's or 50's

--dj--Joe

I've been hunting for a 50 for as long as I can remember.....

Cheers
Don

Been reading about these so thought to bump this back to the top.

Since the link to the 50 is lost does anyone have an example to share?

--dj--Joe

No one out there has an example of a 50 ?

--dj--Joe

No new badges I'm afraid but I did come across this flag for sale on Weitze site recently.... Measures 250 x 140 cm.

Pretty neat....

Cheers
Don

An interesting item Don. Never saw one before but seem to recall something like it depicted on a day badge.

Happy new Year.
--dj--Joe

Day badge is back on page 4 of this thread.

happy new year guys...

- the embossed Urkunde is really nice!

Wow. what a flag ,,if authentic [and has the look] there's probably not many survivors! These pieces in general,,,just something you don't see much of if at all even at the bigger shows..

It is a nice piece isn't it.

Good memory Joe, I'd forgotten that tinnie....

Also on page 4 is a picture of my membership card, a simple double sided sheet. A couple of years ago I found a membership booklet for them as well, I didn't realise that I hadn't posted it here, so here goes. The bright light of the scanner has burnt out the colour of the cover which is green. There are 16 pages containing rules & regulations etc. Here are a couple of examples.

D

After years of fruitless searching I have just been gifted this 50 year badge by a very dear friend....

Thank you my friend, you know who you are...

Thank you for sharing Don. A nice and rare piece indeed.

--dj--Joe

The numbered badges are not maker marked. Wonder why? Have you noted a marked numbered example Don?

--dj--Joe

Sorry for the late reply...

No I've never seen an anniversary pin with a maker mark. I've often wondered why..

I have noticed some similarities between the shape of the letter S in Reichsbund on the Seiboth made pieces & the anniversary pieces, so whether that is an indication of a maker of the anniversary pieces I cannot say.

D

Came across this odd thing a couple of weeks back. Not fully sure what it is or whether it is genuine... Looking at the fixings on the reverse, the only thing I could think of was possibly a cap badge or a device for an armband, however I have never seen any mention of a uniform or such for the organisation.

It's huge compared to the membership badges, coming in at 4.5cm which is just under 2 inches!

Enjoy.

Don

Something to do with young people, maybe ?

A cap badge for the Reichsbund Deutscher Kleingartner - German small gardener association. Link is to an article about the organization - http://wp12404356.server-he.de/node/17

I was Close - Young plants

Thank you for your comments gentleman, however the organisation is not in question as you can see from the earlier posts in this thread. The problem is that so far no evidence that I am aware of indicates that there was any kind of uniform associated with them. So if genuine, what was the use of this badge. Was there a uniform with a cap, or just an armband with this badge attached?

Thanks
Don

Sorry, jumped in without reading the rest of the thread. Looking through my references, there was not a uniform for this organization listed. These are considered membership badges that were worn on any clothing. In several past auction lists, the badges with the prong type pins are referred to as cap badges versus the clasp pin type identified as membership badges. This designation is in line with the use of various hunting association badges with different style pins. No period references that I could find to identify usage.

Random thoughts. Something to pin to a window curtain or streamer? Not for a flag I wouldn't think as the flag would already have the emblem on it.
Funerary banner?
Piece to pin on a photo album?
For an armband seems feasible. I wonder what armband the organization wore?
A pin for a civilian Gardners headgear. Did German women wear straw bonnets?

? --dj--Joe

Joe,

About anything would do but my first choice would a generic Party visor