If you were to buy your first SA-dagger, for about 500usd, would this one be an alternative?
Can you see anything thats not right about it?
Anything that makes it worth less, or any signs of fake?
Greatful for help.
The dagger:
http://samlarforum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?t=6619
Forgot to say that its a R�hm-dagger, but i guess you can tell... =)
Johan... it all looks good to me.
However, for $150.00 more, you can get one in nicer condition here:
http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/748105472/m/9750007414Really it's up to you on how much you are prepared to spend on a dagger. The one you have asked about is an original but in my personal opinion, maybe slightly over priced.
Hello Johan, the one you are interested in looks pale in comparison to the second one shown. That Asso maker actually is much rarer and in much better condition. Personally, I would take the Asso and be very happy. I agree that the Eickhorn is pretty worn for the price.
Good luck in whatever you choose!
Mark
The problem with the other dagger is me living in sweden, and the dagger being in Ohio. That and the fact that the price is just a little to high for me right now (Im having a hard time deciding how much to pay. Since it is my first, nervous step into collecting, maybe I should pay for a real fine one? Or just settle with a not that fine one, for the same reason; I guess there will be more to buy.)
Anyway, I haven`t the slightest idea of the price for shipping something from the USA to Sweden.
(Hope my english is readable, by the way. Swedes normally speak swedish =)
By the way, I forgot to thank you.
I am greatful for your answers.
Johan... welcome to the forum.
I'm sure if you contacted Houston for the dagger in our for sale section, that he would do you a nice deal.
I don't doubt that Houston has probably shipped loads of daggers outside of the US and probably has a good way of avoiding the import taxes that are of concern. Sure shipping costs are more but it's not a lot more.
If you're going to spend around $500.00 on an SA, why not buy one in far superior condition for just that little bit more...
Contacting Houston it is, then!
By the way, probably a silly question, but how "important" is it if it is a R�hm-dagger or not? What difference does it make in price and rarity?
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Originally posted by Johan_rev:
Contacting Houston it is, then!
By the way, probably a silly question, but how "important" is it if it is a R�hm-dagger or not? What difference does it make in price and rarity?
It really depends how much of the inscription is left. If it's all gone like the one you're looking at, it doesn't make any difference at all.
If you can't afford the dagger from Houston in the for sale section, I'm sure he has plenty of others that are closer to your price range and in much nicer condition.
You can rest assured that it will be 100% real. Something you don't want to risk while you're learning and purchasing your first dagger.
It's unfortunate but of course its more expensive to buy from a different country. No one wants surface shipping-insurance is next to impossible--(unless you have "Collector's Insurance)--and you should--and the currency transfer is another additional cost. But--thats just the way it is--those of us who buy this way just have to pay for it. I do. After all-you don't have to go and get it.
It is an interesting offer, and an interesting dagger, and if I could afford it right now, I most definitly would pay. Im not complaining about the price, or the shipping cost, Im complaining about my own economy.
And I still havent decided wether I should buy the one I first asked about, or skip my first, naive plan and buy a nicer one.
As I wrote to you, I never ment to insult anyone.
No problem Johan. No offense taken and no insult. Wish I could have done better for you-but the problems as I stated above prevent it.
Sorry... I should have read the above before getting carried away...
Anyway, the one I just pointed out should still come in cheaper with postage from the US and import taxes than the $500.00 on the original dagger.
Get Houston to declare the value lower than what you pay for it and use a trackable service. You can't go wrong.
I looked at it, seems rather nice, for that price. But then I noticed "On hold" (?).
Houston:
Is it sold?
If not, could you do like sdp suggested?
What would the total price, including shipping cost be? 425?
Sorry-gone. I still recommend the nicer one. Email me again. It would be quite a bit less if you use an International Money Order
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I still havent decided wether I should buy the one I first asked about, or skip my first, naive plan and buy a nicer one.
I would skip the first one you considered. It is on the "high end" of what it is worth. Whenever possible, buy a dagger that is priced at or below what you could re-sell it for. I have bought and sold many daggers. Some I have turned a profit on, some I have broken even on. I have lost money once or twice, and it is not a good feeling.
If you buy the ground Rohm, you may have to lose money on it if you decide to part with it. You certainly wont make much.
It sound to me as though your money is 'hard earned' meaning that it doesn't grow on trees for you. If that is true - don't throw it away - wait if you must and buy the best possible dagger you can afford.
Your conclousion i correct, money does not grow on trees at the moment (especially since I just bought a house). And the best thing to do would probably be just to wait for the best oppurtunity, as you say.
To general dagger-questions:
1. I read on the Lakesidetrader section for choosing your first dagger, that if the gap between the crossguards and the side of the wood is bigger on one side than the other, it could be a fake dagger. But then I`ve seen a lot of pictures of real daggers, where the gap is about 2mm bigger on one side than the other (at least it looks that way on pictures). How come? What makes this happen?
2. About the dagger that I first asked about, what makes you say its in poor shape? Just so I know what to look for, I mean. Is it the lack of colour on the scabbard? The marks in the grip? Anything else?
Johan... the gap between the grip and the crossguard is usually due to shrinkage over the years. It can also be seen as a possible fake, it could also be seen as a replacement grip.
About the first dagger mentioned, you've pretty well hit it spot on... the blade is considered to be the most important part and this one has damage. Most of the anodizing appears to be gone on the scabbard and the grip has numerous dings in it.
I just found an ad for something that I assume is a couple of fake daggers, on a swedish site. You could say its the "swedish ebay". Works like ebay. Anyway, its one SS and one SA dagger. The starting price (5999 swedish crowns) is about 766usd, and the "buy now"-price (8900) is about 1137usd.
Could anyone just take a look at it, and then tell me the details about why one should not bid? Happy to learn...
http://www.tradera.com/auction/Militara_Samlarsaker/aid_26250222
Forgot to say that these two daggers come without scabbard.
Ah, forget it. THe guy who sells them says they are real, but put toghether from peices. So i guess thats the case. Just wanted to know how to see if they were fakes, like I first thought.
Even parts daggers without scabbards are would probably be worth 1137.00 for both.
At first glance they look good, but a closer look at the photo and I am concerned about the RZM etch on the SS blade.
Being the most valuable piece of the puzzle (the SS blade) I think I would pass.
I wasnt really gonna bid on them, I�m just eager to learn as much as I can.
So, could you please tell me what makes you concerned about the RZM-mark? What do I miss, that I shouldn�t?
I can't say fur sure it is bad - it doesn't look as perfectly round as it should. The lines of the circle aren't as crisp as I would like to see them.
Like I said, I can't be sure, I just don't like it. Just a hunch
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Originally posted by Johan_rev:
The problem with the other dagger is me living in sweden, and the dagger being in Ohio. That and the fact that the price is just a little to high for me right now (Im having a hard time deciding how much to pay. Since it is my first, nervous step into collecting, maybe I should pay for a real fine one? Or just settle with a not that fine one, for the same reason; I guess there will be more to buy.)
Anyway, I haven`t the slightest idea of the price for shipping something from the USA to Sweden.
(Hope my english is readable, by the way. Swedes normally speak swedish =)
Hi Johan!
I live in Sweden myself and bought several daggers over there myself.
Shipping cost from US or Canada is about $40
To avoid high taxes and custom fee you can ask the seller to set a lower value on the packet. (at your own risk of course)
I also recommend you to spend your first money to buy at least on good reference book. A good start is "Collecting the edged weapons of the Third Reich" Volume 1 by Thomas M. Johnson. This book show important basic facts on most Third Reich daggers.
Please contact me by e-mail if you need some help and advice regarding those things.
[email protected]Best,
Sam,