hi all,,just acquired this last weekend,,Bezirk 28,,any one collect these and what value should i assign it?,,thanks,Robert

I've had a few over the years, but cloth rarely sticks to my collection display.
It is a nice looking design.
I would say $30 low $50 high for this.

Regards

thanks Skynyrd

Want to ad my RAD female sleeve insignia to this . What was this one for ??

It is of silver bullion thread ; which would indicate leadership to me .

LS4 stand for RAD Lager school 4.

I know these, as most anything else, are heavily faked, and alot of guys are completely jaded on them.
I am not qualified to offer an opinion on the examples posted here.

I believe both are copies due to the material from the front

PAUL

Here is mine for comparison. I have always presumed this piece to be authentic. The quality of the embroidery is very good. Passes burn and blacklight tests.

The other L.S 4 example posted appears to be much the same to me. Any additional insight?

Front.

Back.

Silver thread. The jpeg doesn't impart that information very well...

Stitching of markings.

reverse of my Bezirk 28 patch,,

reverse of my fake 28

reverse of my fake LS-4

Thanks for posting these Paulbear. If that's definitely a fake, then I doubt the authenticity of my own example, as it appears very similar, at least in these jpegs. Mine is definitely not made from synthetic thread though..

Does anyone have a verified original to post by way of comparison? Curious how it might differ from the examples shown here.

here is one I am satisfied is correct

PAUL

can we see the front as it was the giveaway that you cited for the others being reproductions..thanks,,,Robert

actually the weave seen from the reverse is the giveaway

PAUL

Thanks for the additional postings.

Is the consensus that these are all fake except the last one that Paulbear showed? If my example is a reproduction I confess I'm stumped on these..

...."I believe both are copies due to the material from the front..." paulbear....me too!,,,my example came from a collection that was inherited by a son that had no interest in his father's items...so what it is exactly that is the giveaway on these,???

here is the front of the patch note the obvious weave pattern

is the weave pattern the same for the non-metallic threads as well?..

The silver threads in my example definitely don't match the weave pattern demonstrated by the piece from weitze's site. Does this absolutely identify mine as a copy? Just curious if other producers might have woven the motif differently, or if perhaps it was produced earlier/later.

Thanks for the continued postings on these. Very little information out there, and if the weave pattern shown above is absolute, than I don't think I've ever seen an original in hand.

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Originally posted by militarymania:
is the weave pattern the same for the non-metallic threads as well?..

THE WEAVE PATTERN should be similar same template different threads