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Posted By: Mike McAlvanah What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/04/2020 08:52 PM
I have been asked this question many times over the years, but only am reasonably confident of my answer in the past 5 years or so. After analyzing the data of about 16,000 entries for the McSARR (McAlvanah SA Rarity Rating), there were several candidates from the known 214 makers. Please note I did not consider examples as the Early SA Rohms by Eickhorn and Pack or variations as the double oval Eickhorn, only the Makers. My opinion for rarest would be ARTUR MELCHER. This involves only the Early SAs. Thank you, Mike
Posted By: seany Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/04/2020 10:32 PM
Great info Mike, there can't be many of them in collections around the world
Posted By: Dave Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/04/2020 11:10 PM

Here you go

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Posted By: Dave Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/04/2020 11:12 PM
Very hard to find.

Now, everyone but Dr. Mike, what is your observation of the second or third rarest. No science, no math, just your feeling of what the rarest of the rare.

Dave
Posted By: Eric26 Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/05/2020 02:34 AM
Hermann Konejung AG, Solingen ? pure SWAG on this smile
Posted By: Dave Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/05/2020 02:34 PM
Good choice, Eric.

There is no real right answer if you are going for a gut feel response.

Herm Konejung is pretty rare and cool besides. I've always wonder why that mark was chosen.

Dave

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Posted By: Mike McAlvanah Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/05/2020 04:57 PM
Pardon me, but what does pure SWAG mean?
Posted By: Dave Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/05/2020 07:14 PM
You don't know ? confused wink grin
Posted By: Mike McAlvanah Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/06/2020 04:00 PM
Well, I always knew it as stolen goods, but I don't pick up the relevance in this usage
Posted By: Eric26 Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/07/2020 02:33 AM
"Semi-Wild-@ss Guess"

SWAG is used to describe an estimate derived from a combination of factors including past experience, general impressions, and heuristic or approximate calculations rather than an exhaustive search, proof, or rigorous calculation.
Posted By: Eric26 Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/07/2020 02:44 AM

Dave,

Good question - I believe the company specilaied in making spectacle frames, pocket knifes and scissors, spectacles registered in 1907 as a brand stamp ?

looking for more info
Posted By: Seppi Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/07/2020 04:57 PM
Hello ,

this maker ? seen on a french forum :

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Posted By: Dave Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/07/2020 08:15 PM
Seppi,

Photobucket says that page does not exist.

Once again, I ask you to please post the photos, not the links.

Thanks, Dave.
Posted By: Seppi Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/12/2020 06:59 PM
Hello all ,

is this maker Fritz Berthelmes *BAVARIA* may be considered as rare or rarest ?

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Posted By: Mike McAlvanah Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/14/2020 10:57 PM
this is a 5 on the McSARR so it is right in the middle regards rarity-Mike
Posted By: Seppi Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/15/2020 08:35 AM
Thanks Mike ;-)

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I think Mike gave this one a 10/10

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Posted By: Mr.Gale Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/28/2020 10:10 PM
This one. :-)

Mr.G

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Posted By: Dave Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/29/2020 02:32 AM
Mr. Gale,

That is a very cool trademark ... and in good shape.

Thanks
Dave
Posted By: Mike McAlvanah Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 03/29/2020 11:18 AM
H. Herder was the only maker that we know of that was owned by a woman at one time- Henriette in 1865.
Posted By: Rosti Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 09/30/2020 05:59 AM
Hi, this ones are some of the Rarest for me.
Best
Andreas

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Posted By: Dave Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 09/30/2020 03:25 PM
The actual rarest SA logo is this one. Used on prototype daggers by Eickhorn

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Posted By: Jeronimo Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 08/19/2021 08:33 PM
Mike, I think you're on to something. Espescially the lengths you went through to get a hold of my Armeso, made me think I had something special...
Posted By: Ilya Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 08/22/2021 03:56 PM
I may be delusional, but I think this maker is one of the rarest. This photo is not mine. Thanks to the author

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Posted By: Fitzer Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 09/18/2021 06:55 PM
Wester & Butz for me!!

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That is one of my favorites, Fitzer!

Herman

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This little ship also got a 10 on 10!

Herman

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Posted By: Vik Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 10/23/2021 07:53 PM
A.Werth

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Posted By: Vik Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 10/23/2021 07:56 PM
Carl Haas

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Posted By: Vik Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 10/23/2021 07:58 PM
Paul Ebel

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Posted By: seany Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 10/23/2021 09:47 PM
Jos Schlimbach

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Posted By: ed773 Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 10/24/2021 12:32 PM
Wow!! Very nice gentleman. Beautiful daggers for sure, and, super hangers.
Ed
Posted By: pvon Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 10/28/2021 11:59 PM
Just very seldom see dagger makers!

Makes you wonder how many?

Condition on many I have never seen is unreal!

Thanks for showing!

PVON
Posted By: Mikee Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 10/29/2021 12:07 AM
Wow, I've not seen these makers. Thanks for showing them!
Posted By: Seppi Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 10/31/2021 09:46 AM
Hello ,

voici mon exemplaire :
Posted By: Dave Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 10/31/2021 04:00 PM
Votre exemplaire .... ?
Posted By: BladeLover Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 11/29/2021 07:14 PM
That is a really nice dagger Vik! never seen that maker before. Do you also sell daggers? I am looking to grow my collection.
Maybe this a an unusual addition to the topic, but I still wonder why we never find the neat Klaas marking on any early SA-dagger...

Robert Klaas was one of the largest producers of early M33 SS-daggers, but did not make a single early SA?

So the only one I have found so far, is this double marked one...

Best regards,

Herman

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Posted By: Dave Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 12/04/2021 07:46 PM
I've been looking for 30 years. Good luck.
Posted By: seany Re: What is the rarest Early SA Maker? - 12/04/2021 10:24 PM
That is a very good question, does make you wonder why when they were such a big and prolific maker
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