Gents,

This one just popped up on a local e-mart site. First glance it looks WOW, but these ones most of the time prove to good to be true. Would appreciate your feedback. Real or fake, price indication? The guy is asking some serious money and I do not want to get burnt. Obviously in hand inspection says it all, but before I take a long drive I would love to hear some feedback from the pro's. I requested some detailed pictures of the blade....they will follow...

Thanks in advance,

Peter Jan

Rank bad all the way, maybe the blade is OK

Gary

Real or not....that's a lot of work to make that...

Gary, Any reason why you would say that? Seems like the engraver knew what he was doing. You think post war embellishment??

Nice job, but I'd have to say 4th Reich all the way.

I think there is a flood in EU .A few oh them Ive seen on auction site from year ago.Ive got some offer of fittings to SA SS etc form Germany when I will find it I will post the pics.The hobby goes to end in my opinion.

2

What kind of money are we talking about? Mike

2500 euro. The guy never came back to me, so I guess that says enough doesn't it. Or the guy is also a member here..

actual price on polish auction site 1500 USD but maybe the seller sells it himself ;-)

I like them no reason to think not period necessarily they certainly have quality and age. What do you think Mike ? certainly a lot of intricate work that has age to it and does not look "done yesterday" wouldnt be so quick to dismiss cheers, Ryan

Haha they do look pretty but fake none the less

The first dagger..has some bizarre age grey unfitting from any production period..including a replaced throat. No evidence of a producer
I never seen any SA or SS guards having that kind of tone even from the darkest of patinas...including plated.
There is also no grip wear at all ..but the rest of the dagger is aged?
The grip looks like the roof of a hen house.

The 2nd dagger is more believable on the details I specified..yet even with that one something seems amiss with the guards.
Yet the intricate detail on the 2nd one is more matching to other period examples.

Third Point:..Price is always a factor. Just my thoughts Gents

Regards Larry

Gents,

The guards on the first one seem to be (chemically) blued. Not even sure that is even possible with nickel silver. Need to research that..nickel should be chemically reactive somehow. I agree that the patina definitely is not done yesterday, and wonder why you would have a good engraver work on your dagger like that...at what I see quite some cost. (unless you are a dagger collecting engraver)
Could vets have had this done after the war in country with their war booty?? Or would the SA still go ahead (and allowed) to wear these elaborated daggers?? The bottom line is are there any documented/period daggers around that at least prove that this kind of work was actually done during the period? I kind of agree with Ryan on this..but obviously paying big bucks for a dagger of which 1/2 of the collecting community frowns upon does not seem such a good investment..

Any documented / proven daggers around with such decorations??

There are a few around that are accepted as done during the TR period.

Could they be worn? Depends on who the guy was. RHIP.

here are a few which I found

do You want more or will You hate me ;-)

More examples please. Very interesting thread

"Intricate work" is almost certainly CNC, I am a CNC operator and have done many dragon scales. There is nothing hand done about this, it is machined.
Tough to tell if that is even wood of some composite, just by eyeballing looks to be the latter.

Don't get me wrong, very good craftsmanship here, would like to have the basic grip file used for this, textures I could easily add myself.

some very rare daggers

yes, nickel silver can react with a variety of agents to be darkened-Mike