Hello everyone, The more I get into the hobby the deeper I appreciation I have for it.
When the Model 1933 was introduced who was chosen first to be awarded the contract. After that is when alot of the other firms came out of the woodwork.
I am just curious because I love the early SAs the most. Was it Eickhorn or was it the Pack firm? Although these 2 firms were the most common, but I consider Eickhorn the most prestigious.
The history during the 2 years between 1933-34 IMO is the most intriguing when collecting daggers.
I also believe ( IMO )that it was either Eickhorn or Haco that was the most representative in what the SA dagger stood for ( but not in a political sense of ideals ) but in the overall appeal of the dagger in the SA.
IMO also it is the same for The SS maker Boker that is representative of the SS in dagger construction theory only!
So when I hear of a Boker dagger I think of the SS and when I hear of an SA dagger I think of Haco or Eickhorn.
Others may differ in opinion when looking at a dagger logo of who they think of first.
So Again I would be thankful if someone knows the very first maker of SAs it would heighten the appeal of collecting. Best Regards Larry
I believe the first two producers were Eickhorn and PACK, not Haco.
Yes, didn't Eickhorn have the preproduction so called "Christmas" SA?
I'd say it was Eickhorn. Why? "Christmas" dagger was the 1st SA dagger ever and it was made by Eickhorn.
Which maker is most representative? Well, it's more a matter of taste and personal preferences. I agree with you, Larry, when I hear BÖKER, I think automaticaly about an SS dagger, even if the company produced HJ knives and RAD hewers as well. If I had to sell all my M33 SS daggers keeping only one, I'd definitely keep BÖKER.
HACO and SA? Well I like HACOs a lot and when I hear HACO I do think about SA dagger, but do I think about HACO when I hear SA dagger? I don't think so. HACO wasn't even producer. To me the most representative for SA will always be good old Eickhorn with a score of 52000 SA daggers produced.
Haco wasn't a producer of SA daggers?? They made some of the best!
Are you sure they made SA daggers? From what I know HACO was a distributor of any kind of military equipment and supplier of the SA Gruppe Berlin-Brandenburg. The full name of company is HACO-Werk & HACO Transport GmbH, Berlin located at Güterbahnhof (freight depot) Halensee.
I.m.h.o. it has nothing to do with "Hacompa" firm from Solingen, who actually made knives, but never used HACO as their brand name.
HACO daggers have some similar features to Thüringen made daggers, and because the region of Thuringia is much much closer than Solingen it could be reasonable for Berlin based company to get the products there.
There is also another Berlin company name to found etched on the (NPEA)blades - Karl Burgsmüller, and it's known for 100% that Karl Burgsmüller was just a distributor. I believe it's the same with HACO.
Yes 777 is very right and thers much more to the HACO story in fact, HACO only distributed, but, maybe somebody like Ralf or 777 or Lakesidetrader will chip in their 1 or 2 cents, or, somebody that has a real HACO and has some revealing shots? Its really very very interesting this.
Bye,
KR
Hmm Interesting so Did Haco buy their blades from another producer and put their logo on it? OR is "Hacompa" the actual Haco we all come to know as a dagger producer but shortened their name? Sounds like a copyright infringement of a firms name. This is very interesting and I would like to hear more on Hacompa. Since now from what I understand that there are 2 firms with this name and only one of them that is with a similar name. Neat stuff!! Larry
Hi guys i have heard the story that Haco was a distributor and not a maker but if anyone can explain more im very intrested..... I have in my possetion an early Haco that i know to have been produced before or in 1934, i also beleive that there were quite a few produced before the one i have. I suppose that would make them an early maker/distributor.
Regards Adam
I have seen three etch patterns on Eichorn SAs.
The standard 'Alles fur Deutschtland' with the 'A' looking like a 'U'.
The so-called small A version of the above, where the 'A' looks like an 'A'
An etch 'Deutschalnd uber Alles'
The last two are early etches. My guess would be that these would be among the first SAs produced.
Here is a shot of the second etch.
John
WOW... thanks for showing John i thought there were only 2 styles of etch on SA daggers i guess you learn something new everyday
is this the christmas version?
Regards Adam
John,
Whose dagger is that ? I am keeping a log of the early daggers
Also I'd like to see some good photos of the Deutschland Uber Alles etch. As far as I know it was NOT an etch on issued daggers. Only the regular one and the "small A" appeared on issued daggers.
Dave
BTW, on the Uber Alles etch, I was shown such a dagger and sworn to secrecy.
Maybe we can talk some more about this at the SOS.
John
John,
I have seen similar etches to the one above and they are made-to-order presentation pieces. The same is probably true of D U A etches. Both are valuable and rare, but what I was taking about are the etches on daggers that were made in some quantity to be issued. I only know of the two types and the rarer ones have a "small A" as you show higher up.
Dave
That is one cool dagger i just love the tiger strip grip
Sean
John it's always a pleasure to see some of your stuff.
I was always under the impression the very earliest Eickhorn SA had a small single oval. I actually think it was here on GDC it was shown.
I've not seen a Christmas dagger in years now.
I know that Haco is considered to be a distributor and...
They have a unique product, I do agree that there are similarities with the Thuringia made product. And they are unique with special qualities not seen in other daggers. I've often wondered if there was one special order made for them. I so miss King-Tiger somedays as he was a true student of them and would be able to share much on this subject...
Some eye candy for you:
Merry Christmas über
777 commented if I understand correctly that there were 2 Haco firms one of them was an equipment firm then there was the Blade firm in Solingen named Hacompa. So is it safe to assume that it was the Hacompa firm who made these daggers? I know this must be old scripture from before but its new to me. Is there any documentation that the Equipment firm Haco specially made or had a die made with the Haco logo on it to put on blades they are distributing? I like the Haco daggers ,, they are very distinctive in appearance and very appealing. Larry
Great pics Paul!! The upper crossguard has an extreme downward bend to it and pointed!! pretty cool.
Paul, is the "über" dagger an E.P.&S. ? (scabbard fitting makes me suspect it is).
The Christmas dagger ROCKS!
"Hacompa" never used "HACO" as their brand name. Is the similarity of names just accidence? Probably, but I'm always ready to revise my knowledge.
BTW. I'm also big fan of HACO daggers because of their great quality and cool look. There is also a small emotional aspect in my case, as I have deep connections with Berlin.
Larry and 777 it is very cool. Few people have seen one in hand. They are VERY unique and there are a couple very special features about them.
I like the grip, see how it's not symetrical? This was hand carved NOT machine made.
Hacompa was a trademark used by the Ernst Mandewirth firm of Solingen. No known connection with Haco-werk, HACO Transport GmbH, Berlin.
The so-called Christmas dagger, as shown by Paul, has the small 'A' etch as well as unique narrow wing eagle. The single oval Eickhorn TM makes this dagger of an earlier production than the small 'A' dagger that I showed earlier in this thread.
So far, I have only seen this dagger in pictures.
Paul, that 'D uber A' etch is pretty neat. I have seen this only in pictures as well.
John
Just a thought but I would be used to seeing the "A" in alles capitalized or is there a difference between the Germanic and English expression of sentence structure? Larry
Also I cant seem to leave this Haco thing alone. So would it be safe to say it was "Haco werk" who made the daggers? Sorry if I seem a little dim on this subject, but as nicely as the Haco daggers were made I think it would break my heart if they were made by some other firm that we dont know about. Something like a highly reputable food company that sells to a lower contractor "No frills brand name" just to sell the product. I HOPE THIS IS NOT THE CASE with Haco. IMO Haco is a strong name in daggers along with Eickhorn, Pack and Boker. Seems like alot of trouble to just put a logo on someone elses dagger. Yea I know I am a little behind on this issue. Best Larry
777 to your question, I agree the über ball looks Pack to me 2.
I believe that these were only Eickhorns and I could be wrong, John how does your memory serve you...
The 'uber' dagger was a ground Rohm Pack.
J
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