Is anyone still collecting SA Daggers by maker?

My modest collection has seven different SAs

Decent SA's now routinely go for over a grand. With 220 or so makers what does simple math tell you?

Ron, I am, but very selectively and depends highly on condition. No RZM's though.

Mark

Ah, past tense...still collecting? I was until about 12 years ago, got up to over 120 makers, but figured I'd never get them all. I've kept the best 2 or 3 dozen though.

If someone could afford to buy all those offered by Houston C., they'd be off to a good start!

Again, past tense. I attempted to collect all the "non-Solingen" makers and got almost all of them, 38 makers in total.

Same here with reguards to "past tense". With 86 SA/NSKK daggers, do I really need any more? Yea, sure I'd like to get all the makers, including all the variations, but the prices have gotten insane. I passed up a nice SA (McSARR 9) a few weeks ago, I just can't see paying that much.

Me too, SA & SS but I never got very far with the SA. I figured out how many SA there were and just concentrated on SS.

Actually, the SS turned out to be more affordable. They were about 4x the price of SA but there were not that many compared to over 200 SA makers. Besides, I always wanted SS daggers more than SA.

I've still got a few SAs. An Emil Voos, my very first dagger ever. A couple of early "A" examples, plus a few more that were too good to pass up at the price.

Dave

I�m also interested in these daggers. But I try to find those of them which has been made no more than 4000.

Have been collecting the early SA's and getting only McSarr 9 and 10s for about five years now. The quality of manufacture and the pride put into the workmanship of the early daggers just amaze me. Up to 81 on the daggers now, but with the prices doubling over those five years, further collecting has become difficult.

Hey Dave, can you post some pics of your 'early A' SA's? I have one and I sure would like to see a couple more to compare it with.

Mark

Grip of mine...

Mark

Yes

kingtiger ... wow ... what a great piece with early motto.

This is something I would love to have in my collection. How much is one of those today? How rare are these "early A" SA�s?

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Originally posted by kingtiger:
Hey Dave, can you post some pics of your 'early A' SA's? I have one and I sure would like to see a couple more to compare it with.

Mark

kingtiger, can you post a picture of the makers mark please?

I also collect SA's by maker, but they became quite hard to find here in Belgium, so the collecting goes slowlier... but if you find one by a new maker... the greater the pleasure is!

I also do not mind to have 2 or more by the same maker, if they have a makersmark variation or a different grip.

No RZM's for me, but transitionals are fine.

Best greetings,

Herman

Depending on condition, they are in the $4000-5000 range.

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Originally posted by ivbaust:
kingtiger ... wow ... what a great piece with early motto.

This is something I would love to have in my collection. How much is one of those today? How rare are these "early A" SA�s?

Mark,

I am not going to post pictures for a while. There are quite a few outright fakes out there plus a few "put togethers" which have some real parts and ... some real but later parts.

I want to be sure of what I am saying.

Dave

The maker mark on mine..a ground Rohm as all the early ones were...or should be.

This one is an E P & S., the other accepted maker is Eickhorn.

Mark

OK, the answer to the question of this thread is: WHO CAN AFFORD IT TODAY??????

Personally, I am looking for Horse marks (Axt und Hauer Fabrik, Meltzer und Feller, Neuhause, ASSO,and Kober. (anything with a horse element within it)

I am also interested in ANYTHING with a "DOG" mark (such as Bulldog or Seilheimer, etc.)

Good luck to all other collectors on their quests, I know how tough it can be,
Johnny

Does anyone need a Gustav Haker?

Sure, if it an early one with mint blade.....

Dave, if you post some of yours...you can find out real quick if they are real. I can't understand your reluctance to post pictures, especially since you told us you have TWO 'early A' SA's.. Do you think you may have some fakes? Do you think the one I posted is a fake? I am in somewhat of a quandry here.

What is your fear? That is what this dagger site is for I thought?

No offense meant....

Mark

Dave:
I know you have been collecting information on these early SA motto variants for years. Why don't you compose a little article on these and post it here? Surely you aren't just saving all the information for Wittmann's book (when ever it makes an appearance!!!).
We know the site has been slow for some time and it appears I have started a thread that is sparking some interest, so add to it and make this site a "have to visit to keep up" event.
JMO,
Ron Weinand

Ron,

Yes, I have been trying to put together facts on the early SA daggers for some time.

From what I have seen at shows, I think they are being faked, but the people who fake them never quite get the details right ... if my presumptions are correct.

But, these are rare and expensive pieces so I want to be sure of what I am saying. I am not confident enough of my facts yet to "publish" them or to pass comment on other daggers.

Every time that I think I have nailed down some key fact, another dagger turns up and I learn something new. I got an email two days ago about a potential find.

Mark, the most interesting of mine is in the forward to TW's SS book.

Dave

Dave, I just went back and saw your dagger in Tom's book. A fantastic example with the pointy eagle and all! "Too labor intensive" was the reason they changed to the eagle in my 'early A'. That was a treat to go back and read about that...I think I just skipped over it when I first read that SS book!

Mark

What do you think about this early "A" SA?

Partial close up of the motto

Maker�s mark of the early "A" SA

Any opinions on this one? It�s for sale and I just have these few pics.

Compared the "Alles f�r Deutschland" inscription to my Christmas Eickhorn and it is completely different. The makersmark is also a "strange variant" of the early Eickhorn makersmark.
So I do not like this piece.

Best greetings,

Herman

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Originally posted by Herman V. (aka Herr Mann):
Compared the "Alles f�r Deutschland" inscription to my Christmas Eickhorn and it is completely different. The makersmark is also a "strange variant" of the early Eickhorn makersmark.
So I do not like this piece.

Best greetings,

Herman

Herman, can you please post some pics of your christmas dagger? I would like to see the difference. Thanks!

I agree with Herman.
I've seen better fakes on the Eickhorn logo.
If you look close you will notice the perfect circles with no roughness. You can't get that with "period" acid-etching. But it a sure sign of Lazer-etching.
100% fake blade!

Here is what a Eickhorn C.E. SA Logo should look like. There are minor variantions however not like one shown previously.
Letters are different sizes and not even centered in the oval. One of the worst I've seen lately.

-serge-

Serge, thanks for this information. Always great to learn form you!

Here is one in mint condition. Serge yours has a slant eye. Mine has a dot. One of your minor variations?

Yes Skyline. Both period and legit IMO on a C.E. "Split-tail" Eickhorn.
Beauty of a blade you got there.

-serge-

johnny v..here is another one you can add to your list of horses.......DAVE H

Dave,
This is one of the two that I am missing. If you ever want to sell, you know where I am...
Great knife,
Congrats,
Johnny

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SADolch... can we see more of that dagger?

yes, I am collecting early sa's by maker- no RZM's. So if anyone is selling rare ones email me.

Eric

Why the discrimination against RZM SA's? If you dont collect the RZM SA's, do you have SS RZM's in your collection? What's the difference?

I think the moderator of this forum, Mike McAlvanah, summed it up when he coined RZM Sa's as "cowpies". Now mind you, I have the highest respect for Mike even though he probably is infected with the ever pervasive "I am GOD" physician syndrome. Nonetheless, some of my best friends are RZM's... I might even allow my daughter to date one.

amazing statement- would you allow your daughter to date a cowpie? MJM

After a moment to reflect... that was a cheapshot and I apologize. Wife diagnosed with leukemia today and any doctor was fair game considering how she was treated. Too much beer doesn't help. I'll be better tomorrow...

As far as RZM's go... they are no less collectible but do suffer from corrosion and the workmanship is not as good as the early daggers.

I have only one RZM SA, but I'll keep it forever. It was bought on the one of the best days in my life, it's made in my local area (no, I don't come from Solingen ) and it's condition is great. I don't mind having few interesting transitionals, but the early ones with their selection of cool logos are what I love. Having both feet on the ground, I don't think about getting all the makers, so I try to gather my favourites in best condition available, and I enjoy much more looking at my beautiful HAENEL or HACO, than at some "10 on McSAAR" with boring, meaningless logo and grip like 30 others makers (from the same local subcontractor producing the grips for every "cottage factory" in the area). With the SS it's a different story. I look basically for the early ones, but when I find a nice RZM, I keep it.

Apology accepted- I'm sorry to hear about your wife's illness- I hope she will be cured.
Incidentally, I do own one RZM SA-the first dagger I ever obtained in 1972- and I believe I also own 2 transitionals just to keep the collection varied-Mike

I ask because I am thinking of adding a new RZM 7/36 to my collection. From the pictures it is in exceptional condition with NO lifting. I have an Unissued Puma that is in spectacular condition. What about SS RZM's people collect those and the plating lifts on those too?

Eventually all the mint MM SA's will be gonoe and all that will be left are Mint SA's...then what?

Sorry to hear about your wife. I hope everything works out.

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