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Posted By: TiRex73 SS dagger Bertram - 09/21/2022 10:23 AM
Hi all! What are the opinions about this dagger

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Posted By: TiRex73 Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/21/2022 10:31 AM
more foto

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Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/21/2022 02:11 PM
Hello, Mr TiRex from Russia,

This dagger was posted 4 days ago on WA by "JerryBruchaimer" ... is that you ?

https://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/fo...eapons-forum/13358203-ss-dagger-opinions

I see the photos have been altered.

Dave
Posted By: TiRex73 Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/21/2022 02:29 PM
Hello, Dave
Perhaps the new photos will have different opinions
Posted By: TiRex73 Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/21/2022 02:53 PM
The dagger is not mine, the owner asked me to discuss the dagger here. The dagger was really bought and is in Russia
Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/21/2022 05:49 PM
TiRex,

Help us understand who is the owner ... Mr. Bruchaimer ? Or did he sell it ? And what is your position ?
Posted By: TiRex73 Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/21/2022 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Dave
TiRex,

Help us understand who is the owner ... Mr. Bruchaimer ? Or did he sell it ? And what is your position ?
Ok, Dave, if it's necessary, I'll explain. Bruchaimer bought the dagger a few months ago, now he decided to discuss it on the forums. He asked me to post a dagger on the GDC, that's all
Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/22/2022 01:37 AM
So the dagger is now in Russia, but he is not available to post photos of his own dagger ?
Posted By: TiRex73 Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/22/2022 01:54 AM
So, if opinions on this dagger have not changed with the new photos, then there is nothing more to find out. Who is the owner and who posted the photo, all this does not affect the originality of this dagger.
Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/22/2022 02:41 AM
No, TiRex, the photos are not new, just rotated and contrast altered . And, the dagger is still bad.

But there are still other forums you could try.
Posted By: ed773 Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/22/2022 12:00 PM
Ebay might work, more buyers, more chances
Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/22/2022 01:48 PM
grin
Posted By: Billy G. Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/23/2022 11:52 PM
Is this the same lasered item posted on WAF in the last 1-2 weeks?
Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/24/2022 01:32 AM
Yes. There were a big bunch of photos but not a good reception over there.

I think the same guy, under the name "TiRex" posted a few here, but they were darkened or rotated or contrast adjusted to make them appear to be a different dagger.

That blade has been monkeyed with but I am not sure exactly how. Take a look on the first page or on WAF and tells us who you see.

Dave
Posted By: ed773 Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/24/2022 11:58 AM
Well, we do know it is the same dagger, rotated and/or adjusted photos.
Are there going to be any comments on about what makes it no good?
Posted By: TiRex73 Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/24/2022 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by Dave
Yes. There were a big bunch of photos but not a good reception over there.

I think the same guy, under the name "TiRex" posted a few here, but they were darkened or rotated or contrast adjusted to make them appear to be a different dagger.

That blade has been monkeyed with but I am not sure exactly how. Take a look on the first page or on WAF and tells us who you see.

Dave
Ha ha, Dave, it's a detective story. The matter is exactly as I said. I am not the owner of this dagger. No one was going to sell a copy to anyone. The main goal of the owner is to determine the originality of the dagger, so after the purchase he had doubts. Those photos on WAF were from the seller. The owner then took the photo himself, but for some reason you gentlemen considered this to be some kind of fraud
Posted By: TiRex73 Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/24/2022 05:03 PM
You probably got suspicious that Bruchaimer indicated that he was from the USA, but in fact he is from Russia. Apparently he thought that this way he would get answers to the question faster. Oh yes, that seems to be a grave sin. I'll tell him not to do that again.
Posted By: TiRex73 Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/24/2022 05:09 PM
And yes, the dagger was returned to the seller. Thank you gentlemen for your help. Before buying, they asked me for opinions on the dagger and I didn’t like it at first, but then I convinced myself that I probably hadn’t seen all the ss chicken daggers yet
Conclusion, you need to trust your initial instinct more
Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/24/2022 05:49 PM
Ed,

Not much to see here because of limited pics. What I said was:

Grip - Notice the disturbance in the wood around both the eagle and rune. = faked or fiddled with.

Blade - Too bright + too crisp + too precise and even = Laser

Blade - Scratchy uneven crossgrain = rework or fake

Scabbard - severely rusted shell and severely cleaned fittings = real but very poor shape
Posted By: Billy G. Re: SS dagger Bertram - 09/26/2022 02:23 AM
The logo and motto look lasered to me, the preciseness of the lines is too severe for acid etching IMO. The other parts could be period but I don’t think it matters much either way. The piece has been constructed to deceive and any further qualification given on it can only assist those who make these things.
Posted By: sturmbrigade Re: SS dagger Bertram - 10/27/2022 12:55 AM
I have been keeping an eye on a number of these blades hitting various European websites, such as Egun, there are significant numbers being posted as either stand alone blades or as whole daggers. Additional makers that are coming through also include Josef Wolf and Jacobs and Co. I will grab some photos but mindful we don't want to show fraudsters how to improve these...
Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 10/27/2022 02:20 AM
I've seen a Jacobs on another forum, but I'd like to see an SS Wolf
Posted By: Drambejz Re: SS dagger Bertram - 10/27/2022 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by sturmbrigade
I have been keeping an eye on a number of these blades hitting various European websites, such as Egun, there are significant numbers being posted as either stand alone blades or as whole daggers. Additional makers that are coming through also include Josef Wolf and Jacobs and Co. I will grab some photos but mindful we don't want to show fraudsters how to improve these...

Oh yes. I have seen i.e. this one on egun circa half year ago. Saved the pics to my gallery of fakes.

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Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 10/29/2022 02:02 AM
Thanks, Mike
Posted By: sturmbrigade Re: SS dagger Bertram - 11/01/2022 05:42 AM
Sorry Dave - been busy with work and have some come back to this thread, I will collect a few and post more often. There are some weird and wonderfuls out there at the moment.

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Posted By: sturmbrigade Re: SS dagger Bertram - 02/23/2023 10:36 PM
Wolf and another very bad Bertram

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Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 02/23/2023 10:46 PM
Thanks, Sturm.
Posted By: Texasuberalles Re: SS dagger Bertram - 02/24/2023 02:39 AM
sorry to be so slow but what/where is Egun?
Posted By: Billy G. Re: SS dagger Bertram - 02/24/2023 03:19 AM
Originally Posted by Texasuberalles
sorry to be so slow but what/where is Egun?

It’s a German site that lists some of the worst fakes out there. There are occasionally legit pieces but it’s really caveat emptor.
Posted By: Texasuberalles Re: SS dagger Bertram - 02/24/2023 08:29 PM
How do I access it (the site) for information.

Thanks!

Joe
Posted By: Texasuberalles Re: SS dagger Bertram - 02/24/2023 08:35 PM
How do I access it (the site) for information.

The last chicken dagger (a couple of posts earlier) wouldn't fool anyone.

Thanks!

Joe
Posted By: Dave Re: SS dagger Bertram - 02/24/2023 10:41 PM
Joe

https://www-egun-de.translate.goog/market/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US

Dave
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