I recently started a thread with 20 close-ups of SS runes and challenged everyone to ID the maker of the dagger. 10 of the 20 were successfully identified. Some members said that they might do better at eagles.

Soooooooo, following are 22 eagle. 21 are from maker-marked early SS daggers - No RZM 120/121 etc, and 1 eagle is from a "transitional" or double proofed SS dagger. Some daggers are the same as in the runes thread, others are not. Several makers are shown more than once.

1 - RA Herder

2 PUMA

3 KLASS

4 - Boker ground Rohm

5 Jacobs

6 Eickhorn SS Honor Dagger

7 ASSO

8 BOKER (non-Rohm)

9 - EP&S

10 Another EP&S

11 Boker

12 ASSO

13 Gembruch

14 EICKHORN

15 BERTRAM

16 Eickhorn SS Honor Dagger

17 GEMBRUCH

18 JA Henckels Transitional

19 Gottlieb Hammesfahr

20 Klass

21 Bertram

22 F. Herder

Here you are 22 different eagles !

Dave

Highly interesting and informative. Most believe there are only 3 or 4 styles. I'm not much of a "helmet guy," but I suspect more than a few helmet decals have been branded as fakes when they are variants.

Ok Let me belly up to the bar and give it a shot...

#1 Pack
#13 Hammesfahr
#17 Klitermann& Moog
#19 Herder

Nada, Larry.

Dave

so i'll take....

#22 Bertram,(#19 also?)

Gerd

Gerd I was wondering when you would show up! ..I dont like to drink alone and served a dish of small eagles and not knowing the maker. Pretzels and beer is alot easier.
Bartender a shot for my German friend and I will have a
#21 Boker
#2 Jacobs

Larry and Gerd,

Sorry, no hits. Try another tavern

Dave

Larry and Gerd,

Sorry, no hits. Try another tavern

As grumpy said, many collectors think there are 3-4 types. The above pictures prove otherwise. Actually, it is easier to spot in pictures as they are many times larger.

Regards to all
Dave

Hi Larry,
so let's try again, buddy
i guess we have to change the tavern

#1 Klaas
#2 Herder AS
#3 Böker
#4 Jacobs
#8 Hammesf.
#9 R.Herder
10 Eick
12 Klittermann
13 Böker
18 Pack
21 Klaas
22 Eick
That's it so far.

Gerd

Sorry, Gerd. Close but no cigar.

Bad tavern

Dave

This place is getting expensive,,

#6 Pack...............funny 6-pack
#10 Kober

Good guess Gerd on #9, I thought so too but not the bartender,,

#18 R. Herder
#22 is the tranny

Sorry, no hits. I left out Kober and K&M since they are one-of-a-kind.

Scratch your head and try again.

quote=Siegfried B]This place is getting expensive,,

#6 Pack...............funny 6-pack
Good guess Gerd on #9, I thought so too but not the bartender,
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Hi Larry,of course this bird looks like Conan
BTW Dave,some nice close-up's!!

Sooo....
here is my contribution.
1 Herder AS YES!
2 Bertram
3 Hammesf.
4 Böker YES! Boker ground Rohm
5 Eick
6 Klaas
7 Jacobs
8 Eick
9 Pack YES! EP&S
11Pack
13Jacobs
14Gembr.
15Hammesf
16EP&S
17Klaas
18Gembruch
19 Herder AS
20Asso
21Bertram

Pretty good ! a lot better than anyone else.

19 to go !

Dave

Now this place turned into a gambling house i will put most of my money on all BLACK!!!
#2 and 3 Eickhorn
#6 and 7 Eickhorn 6 is Eick Honor Dagger. 7 is
#11-21 Eickhorn!! Neith 11 or 21 is Eick
Spin the ball dealer!!

Ok Larry,

so let's have a Black Jack on ice.
Btw:i like this strong stuff

here are a few more......

2 Puma YES!
3 Klaas YES!
5 Hammesf.
6 Böker
8 Böker YES!
10 R Herder
11 Jacobs
12 Asso YES!
13 Bertram
14 Asso
20 Bertram

Gerd

Dave,
do not count #6
double post,to many pictures. it makes me dizzy

Very good. We are up to 8 correct.

Dave

three more..

7 R Herder
18 Klaas
19 Pack

Larry,
time to turn the table

No luck Kreta. Try again.

Dave

Last 5 bucks Kreta,, thats all I have and I will need a ride!
#11 Louper

Sorry, Louper as well as Kober and K&M is NOT included.

OK, next 4 days are free shooters !

Dave

With the exception of the one transitional dagger, all the makers have already been mentioned, just not tied to the correct eagle.

Dave

Dave,
how about these

5 Böker
7 Hammesf
11 Bertram
14 Bertram
18 Herder
19 Klaas
20 Eick

Gerd

Sorry Gerd. No luck this time

No. 18 is the only transitional in the group.

Dave

No more guesses ? There are not that many early SS daggers and if you tabulate the above misses, you have to hit sooner or later.

I am surprised, as with the runes thread, that so few of the advanced collectors/dealers have not ventured an opinion.

Dave

Yes,now it's a bit easier

Gerd

Here is what is left:

2 Eicks
2 Bertrams
1 F.Herder
1 Klass
1 Jacobs
1 EP&S
2 Gembruchs
1 Hammesfahr
2 ASSO
1 Boker
1 Transitional

There! OK gents. Last chance to win.

Dave

5-Bertram
7-Gembruch
10-Asso
11-F.Herder
13-Pack
14-Boker
15-Eick
16-Hammesfahr
17-Eick
18-Asso
19-Bertram
20-Klaas
21-Jacobs
22-Gembruch
I'd love to get a few right! Here's hoping.(fingers crossed).

Sorry, Andrew, not a single hit.

Try again ?

Dave

Wow, terrible.Here I go again:
5-Gembruch
7-Bertram
10-Boker
11-Asso
13-Eick
15-Bertram YES
16-Klaas
17-Gembruch YES
18-Hammesfahr
19-Eick
20-Jacobs
21-Pack
22-F.Herder.

Two hits, Andrew. Not bad at all.

In the next day or two I will put up all the answers. I hope that by now members will be seeing that there are more than just 3-4 variations and that the SS daggers cannot be accepted or rejected by the type of grip eagle they have.

Regards to all
Dave

This is addictive,I like it! Another fix:
5-Klaas
7-Asso YES
10-Bertram
11-Hammesfahr
13-Boker
14-Eick YES
16-F.Herder
18-Eick
19-Jacobs
20-Gembruch
21-Asso
22-Pack

Over half way.

Dave

suffering from withdrawl symptoms:
5-F.Herder
10-Hammes
11-Klaas
13-Gemb Yes
16-Eick Yes - SS Honor Dagger
18-Bertr
19-Asso
20-Pack
21-Hammes
22-Jacobs
Not many possibilities left!

Thanks, gents.

I'll now fill in the rest.

The ones with their name in red were identified by Members. The ones in Blue I filled in. Many thanks to all who participated.

What I will do in a day or two is remove all the posts that were made trying to ID the eagles. You are welcome to add your own SS eagles after I have done that.

As with the thread about SS rune buttons, I hope this convinces you that:

1. There are more variations of eagles than is usually thought. Close up photography really helps point this out.

2. That you should never reject an SS dagger because of the eagle details.

Regards,
Dave

20-klaas-should be in red, same as 21-bert and 22-f.herder, me and kreta nailed them!

You're right,Andrew.


Gerd

I am curious. Does anyone know of the manufacturer(s) of the grip eagles of these SS daggers? Does anyone have an original apart from the grip, and is it marked/RZM'd ? I search my Assmann catalog copy and could find no example of this peculiar eagle. It is not a party eagle per se. Thank for any info. I posted this on WAF but the response was limited. Collectors indicated only two manufacturers: Assmann M1/17 and C.T. Dicke M1/47. Any photos of catalogs or the eagles themselves? Thanks.

Joe,

Good question. Most are still in the grip so impossible to tell. I'll search my images to see if I have a 'dismounted' one, but I don't remember one.

Dave

Joe,

Yes, they were marked. The RZM symbol on one wing ans the M1/xx on the other. Detail on the back varied a little.

Dave, thank you very much for sharing these images.What firm was M1/6? Does anyone know?

The galleries on the right are pretty extensive, Joe. Try there.

regards,
Dave

The galleries on the right are pretty extensive, Joe. Try there.

regards,
Dave

Dave I have a friend that is looking for and Eagle for a SA dagger , He is looking for a gold color or bronze color, I am thnking they only made Silver, His is missing I'm wondering why he has to have a gold one

Thanks Bob

Red.

They were made of nickle silver or alpaca ... which contained no silver.

But, if "your bud" needs an eagle then beware as the substitution will be obvious

Thanks Dave

Bob