Hello all,

I would like your opinions on this dagger.

Thanks,

harvey

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very nice
is it for sale?

Not for sale; I'll hang on to this one for a while.

One concern I have is that the blade looks a bit too wide towards its tip; maybe it's just an illusion.

Another concern is that the scabbard appears to be original black paint over brown anodizing; like a repainted SA. It fits the crossgaurd and blade perfectly and is original black paint. Would a firm ever have issued an SS dagger with a repainted SA scabbard or perhaps it's just that the metal has rusted under the paint?

Looks OK to me.

Blade shape does not alarm me and trademark is a known one.

Scabbard appears to me black paint over rusting primer, but I cannot say for sure from pictures.

Regards,
Dave

Thanks Dave,

Here are some photos of the scabbard paint.

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Nothing wrong with the scabbard, unfortunately its rust. I have the same thing but on one of my SAs. Nice dagger. Larry

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Originally posted by Dave Hohaus:
Looks OK to me.

Blade shape does not alarm me and trademark is a known one.

Scabbard appears to me black paint over rusting primer, but I cannot say for sure from pictures.

Regards,
Dave

I thought they still haven't figured out who the 807 maker was, did I miss something??? Mark

Nice real one,Harvey!

That's the 3rd real(807),i've seen in all the years.

Gerd

[/QUOTE]I thought they still haven't figured out who the 807 maker was, did I miss something??? Mark[/QUOTE]

I think what is meant is that 807/ is known and accepted, but the maker as yet unattributed.

Red

Good, original dagger. I have 807/36 out of woodwork and its logo, motto and SS roundel are of the same type.

Yes, I meant that the trademark is accepted as real, not that we know who it is.

That is rusting metal/primer, not an SA repaint. Good catch.

Regards,
Dave

Ok because I myself have a 807/36 and when somebody said it was a known maker kinda threw me off.

Interesting note: that I have seen the RZM Logo reversed in position. ie: RZM on top of the code and Runes on the bottom and vice versa! Larry

I found it here! Maybe nothing new to you but new to me! Larry http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...28099473/m/525104274

Is there any reason why the RZM logo was done this way on the blade sometimes reversed? larry

Looks like a different maker.

My thanks to everyone for the help.

Gerd indicated that this RZM code is seldom seen; do others share that opinion? Wittmann's book doesn't really discuss rarity factors for RZM pieces.

Is there a thread here that discusses the relative scaricity of SS daggers with various RZM codes?

any opinions on this one, bought it from a well known english dealer

rzm mark

blade moto

Hi Woody you will have to post some better quality pics if possible...hard to say from your pics but there might be a few "issues" cheers, Ryan

Agreed, One thing to watch on this particular dagger is the location of the maker mark. When I see pics of the maker mark without showing the crossguard it always maker me skeptical. Woody if you want to see this email me. I can not post the pics here as they are "borrowed" from a site.

hopefully this one is better

and this

Woody,

i've seen this,before.

Btw:
The former background was green

Gerd

am hoping this does not turn out to be crap, can't afford to replace it, the dealer is known on here, and has had only good remarks.

Sorry Woody but IMHO this is not right.
I have no idea who the dealer is but it doesn't matter, no dealer is perfect.

thanks for the replies, will have to start saving again for another one, thanks again for the help, next time i find one i'll post on here for advice first, cheers guys.

Hi Woody sorry to say that from the pics that you have provided Paul is correct in his assertion...cheers, Ryan

Send it back if you don't get retribution name and shame just because he's a dealer known on here does;t give him the right to absolution

As was already mentioned the dagger has "issues". Is what I've posted here a current example of laser etching? FP

Fred, I don't think so. Usually the laser etch delivers a finely cut edge at right angles to the blade. The SS runes have the jagged edge more consistent with an acid etch. What is interesting is that the detail of the SS runes do not match the precise cut of the numbering and RZM mark which looks more like a laser etch to me, almost appears to be applied at different times.

Red

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Fred, I don't think so. Usually the laser etch delivers a finely cut edge at right angles to the blade. The SS runes have the jagged edge more consistent with an acid etch. What is interesting is that the detail of the SS runes do not match the precise cut of the numbering and RZM mark which looks more like a laser etch to me, almost appears to be applied at different times.

Red,

Thanks for the reply, and with your insight you've zeroed right in on what aroused my curiosity. I also thought it was strange. I'm thinking out loud here - but what would cause somebody to do something like that??

My thinking: Some of the fakes I've seen over a period of time have had a similar look, but with different supposed "makers".

Could somebody have made a bunch of "SS" dagger blades en masse (w/old technology). With the makers to be added later, to minimize suspicion from a batch of fakes surfacing. All being made with the same "maker", the same kind of surface finish, etc. etc. And then used a newer technology to finish some of them them up??? Hmmmmmm .........

Best Regards, Fred

Woody there is something else here.
Whenever you see a blade buffed to heck like this ask yourself why. I know why.
We've taught these guys that the sharp spines are a big red flag on these bad blades so they've gone out to the garage and buffed the spines down to hide the obvious.
I see the same thing on those fake Rohms by Pack and Eickhorn. They grind off the maker mark and the signature so we miss the obvious red flags.
See they are reading this too...

Education is a double edged sword, when trying to teach the good,,knowledge, the bad-( faker creators) profit. Shame everything is counterfeited anymore!
Woody dont feel bad you are not alone,, we all have gotten a bum item one time or another. I hope for the best for you, on a return. Larry

cheers guys, unfortunately ive had the dagger for quite a while, so have well missed the return window, next time i fork out so much cash i will post pictures on here first, thanks again guys.

Funny...hard as they may try the high centre ridge was the first thing that I noticed.cheers, Ryan

Hi Woody it doesn't hurt to try....although dealers can't know everything they should certainly know what basics to spot or look out for whether they are selling daggers, medals or other "things" He may very well honour a return...if I bought a reproduction painting from a reputable dealer or a improperly stampled big block Corvette I would return them.good luck cheers, Ryan