Just talked to guy who told me that when he was rebulding stairs in a old german house not far from Berlin on the Polish side, he found a SS dagger wrapped in a rag, he said when he took it out from the scabbard it was full of grease or oil.Guys iam going there right now to pick it up ,, 9 hour drive wish me luck...
Sounds very interesting. Keep us informed!
Wolfslair
Sure sounds like an exciting trip to me, good luck.
wow good luck! I bet most of what's to be found over there is in a situation just like this.
Good luck mate !! Hopefully you make a great score !!
Keep us posted, Håkan
Latest news. On my way back home with my friends , the meeting went down in the towns local bar. The light in there was terrible. Good i had my head light with me. We sat down and the guy picked up the dagger.my friend examined the scabbard and I the dagger....5 min break i have to stop and buy something to drink:-) good iam not the driver
Cool can't wait to see the photos, well done
9 hours drive m8? Was it in Szczecin. Sounds like nice score. Was it the early one?
Iam back .. :-) after a moment of hand inspection.me and my friend looked at each other . The verdict 1000% original. Pay the man before he changes his mind. The outcome is ... a beautiful untouched early dagger maker mark 121/34 with a vertical hanger marked 55/34 . Pictures coming soon,
I forgot to ad..... the blade has 100% crossgrain :-)
I love stories like this ( out of the woodwork treasure find) and to find it in a building that was there since the war makes it even more intriguing. Looking forward to the photos. Best Larry
Come on man put the picures !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
give a moment :-) working on it:-) :-)
working on it,... hold on
TEXTBOOK - congratulations !!!!
Leave it as it is. Do not clean it. What do You want to remove - patina ???
Repainting scabbard black is in my opinion "must to do job" :-)
good one-i love to hear stories about stuff that comes out of the woodwork. nice dagger,worth the trip.thanks paul
Great score congratulations! Oh and I hope that repainting thing was European humor.
Because it looks beautiful to me...
If this were mine I rub the scabbard with a good quality past wax. This should remove the surface rust and crud without disturbing the finish since the wax isn't abrasive. Re-finishing something should IMO always be a last resort.
Jim
Well worth the drive well done
Guys... Thank you all for your comments, iam really happy with this dagger, i am leaving this one as found, but the advice with that wax paste is something to think about, Jim m do you have a name for that product?
zoza:
The paste wax products we use here or Butchers or Johnsons Paste Wax or the old Simoniz Car Wax. I don't know a product to recommend for you in Europe but you could check with a cabinet maker or hardware store in your area.
Perhaps there's a European member here that can recommend a specific product.
Jim
Congratulations! Now that's truely out of the wood work!
Great, honest looking weapon, congrats !
Thank you guys , Working on the daylight pics....
hmm seem to have a minor problem.. can somebody help me to post a couple of pictures?
JACKPOT!!!Really sweet find!! It would be interesting to know about the building it was found in,, if it was the SS mans home or a hiding place for his dagger. Beautiful and untouched....Congrats,, on a find that we all can only wish for in a condition that yours is in. Best Regards larry
Fantastic…. What a find, nice one.
Nice dagger. Wow, an eight hour drive there and back again, I hope the price was right! I find the location of the verticle hanger very interesting in that the strap goes across the grip, and looks like it was cut down.
and the last one,,
the vertical hanger strap seem to have been cut down,
does this say anything about the owner? maybe pedantic?
Nice score mate, very nice indeed !!!!!!
Congrats, Håkan
tack ska du ha
thank you mate
and the last one,,
the vertical hanger strap seem to have been cut down,
does this say anything about the owner? maybe pedantic?
Hmm, I had to look that one up
pe·dan·tic
Show Spelled[puh-dan-tik] –adjective
1.
ostentatious in one's learning.
2.
overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, esp. in teaching.
Congrats on your fantastic find. I just looked under the steps in my house and no such luck!
Im curious,,I have seen other 121/34 daggers with no roman numeral stamping,, and this one also,, why is that? The 120/34 daggers have the Roman numeral,, and the are relatively close together in the production year. Just a thought. ..Larry
Larry i have seen the 121/34 with roman I , in most cases they are without the district marking, interesting point, they are in fact produced the same year 1934 . First of all we have to find out when did they stop to district mark the early dagger?
Larry i have seen the 121/34 with roman I , in most cases they are without the district marking, interesting point, they are in fact produced the same year 1934 . First of all we have to find out when did they stop to district mark the early dagger?
That's a pretty good question.
BTW:A nice find!
Gerd
Zoza, I'd like to congratulate you this fantastic find. I know the feeling of getting something hidden for last 70 years. I posessed once a little Beretta Mod.34 with holster that was found during the roof renovation by my neighbour.
I handled only 2 121's and both didn't have roman numeral stamp.
Nice to see your new dagger has a good company
Thanks 777..
The feeling of finding a untouched dagger that never seen daylight since the war, is just fantastic.. :-)
love this hobby.
I really like the 120's and 121's! Speaking of painting, my 121 has a poorly repainted scabbard I would like to have someone work on this for me as in taking off the paint and taking a look at anodizing underneath and maybe a repaint, ideas?
Nice to see your new dagger has a good company
777 You have got an eye !!!
Zoza, I cant help but to comment again on your great find and after viewing your photos again, you have achieved what most collectors can only dream of or wish for when finding a dagger in untouched quality as the one you now own. I consider it the "Untouched of the Untouched" Although it is not in mint condition,,which alot of collectors would desire to find,, it is the Untouched Virgin IMO that is truly desirable. Totally unmessed with!! There is but a babys breath of a runner mark almost invisible,,if you were not looking for it.
121/34 is a common SS dagger,,but a very rare dagger in which the state of condition it was found in!! I still shake my head in disbelief,, that there is "Woodwork" still out there with Hidden treasures. Dont let go of this one! Cheers to you and a great find. Larry
VERY nice unmessed with dagger. IMO VERY rare in todays market as most dagges have been cleaned up, or taken apart at some point in time. PLEASE do not clean it as it screms of history in its present state. If you look at all the major shows and dealer sights you will see only about 5%-10% of the exmaples have not been cleaned up. Normally cleaning the patina off any antique is a sin! I never understood why German dagger collectors feel the need to tinker and buff these!
Larry,
Thank you very very much for your comment, I will be keeping this one that is a promise :-)
E Rader: you are absolutely right, It screams history, Dont worry i will not clean the patina of the dagger,neither will i open it to check the markings on the crossguards,it stays as found:-)
There is one thing that bothers me ,,the scabbard,,
it screams to take of that rust, so i found my self in a situation where i dont know what to do??? to clean of that surface rust or leave it as it is...
any ideas?
cheers
IMO I would do something about the surface rust and there are some guys out here that know exactly what to do in removing it and not corrupting whats beneath. Surface rust IMO could possibly take a turn and go into your scabbard. I know all these years it has been sitting on top but I myself would not like to find out if one day it gets worse and i regret it. I dont see anything wrong with removing rust. But only if its possible.
Normally cleaning the patina off any antique is a sin! I never understood why German dagger collectors feel the need to tinker and buff these!
E Rader is right,, This is true in removing patina which shows its true age,, but surface rust is just like early signs of skin cancer from overexposure from the beach. I myself would not wait as far as the scabbard is concerned. Im sure you would like to see a return of the black anodizing on your scabbard, and leave everything else alone!!
Also in its present condition it does tell a story where it has been all these years,,but the surface rust?? I would be willing to remove it with the guidance of others out here who have successfully done it. I have seen the beautiful outcome when done correctly and with the use of the right oils,, the return of its original luster. Larry
Also in its present condition it does tell a story where it has been all these years,,but the surface rust?? I would be willing to remove it with the guidance of others out here who have successfully done it. I have seen the beautiful outcome when done correctly and with the use of the right oils,, the return of its original luster. Larry[/quote]
anybody.. a tip what to use?
Common guys, 18 days has gone , no advice? Should i leave it as found?
This rust will be very hard to remove without affecting the remains of original factory finish. Spraying "Ballistol" over it and wiping with cotton cloth will not do any harm, I would do this if it was my dagger. Try to ask at Restoration, Conservation, and Maintenance Forum.
With this amount of rust, you cannot remove the rust and expect to have a finish underneath, as it is gone already! Only apply something to the rust to inactivate/stop further rusting.
Patina is always best to leave but rust only ever gets worse, yes you can slow the decay down alot. With a scabbard that has this much surface & maybe deeper rust I could only say to strip it down then VAPOUR blast the rust off inside & out,there might be a way to do less damage,then recoat it. Oviously it will look done up but it will not get any worse.
Great! Guys thanks for all your opinions. the rust is not deep at all, just on the surface, i will just apply something so it will not get worse. and keep it as it is. An untouched is always in my opinion more desirable.
Cheers.
Just spray the scabbard with WD40, leave for 20 minutes and dry with a clean cloth.