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Posted By: zoza Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 12:56 PM
Just talked to guy who told me that when he was rebulding stairs in a old german house not far from Berlin on the Polish side, he found a SS dagger wrapped in a rag, he said when he took it out from the scabbard it was full of grease or oil.Guys iam going there right now to pick it up ,, 9 hour drive wish me luck...
Posted By: wolfslair Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 01:48 PM
Sounds very interesting. Keep us informed!
Wolfslair
Posted By: patrice Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 03:10 PM

Sure sounds like an exciting trip to me, good luck.
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 06:50 PM
Half way there:-)
Posted By: Das_Reix Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 07:21 PM
Good luck to you.
Posted By: Adam Kirchen Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 09:28 PM
wow good luck! I bet most of what's to be found over there is in a situation just like this.
Posted By: Hakan81 Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 10:13 PM
Good luck mate !! Hopefully you make a great score !!
Keep us posted, Håkan
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 11:23 PM
Latest news. On my way back home with my friends , the meeting went down in the towns local bar. The light in there was terrible. Good i had my head light with me. We sat down and the guy picked up the dagger.my friend examined the scabbard and I the dagger....5 min break i have to stop and buy something to drink:-) good iam not the driver
Posted By: seany Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 11:25 PM
Cool can't wait to see the photos, well done
Posted By: OverLord Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 11:46 PM
9 hours drive m8? Was it in Szczecin. Sounds like nice score. Was it the early one?
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 11:46 PM
Iam back .. :-) after a moment of hand inspection.me and my friend looked at each other . The verdict 1000% original. Pay the man before he changes his mind. The outcome is ... a beautiful untouched early dagger maker mark 121/34 with a vertical hanger marked 55/34 . Pictures coming soon,
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/26/2010 11:52 PM
I forgot to ad..... the blade has 100% crossgrain :-)
Posted By: Larry C Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 12:37 PM
I love stories like this ( out of the woodwork treasure find) and to find it in a building that was there since the war makes it even more intriguing. Looking forward to the photos. Best Larry
Posted By: Gottlieb Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 06:00 PM
Come on man put the picures !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 07:46 PM
give a moment :-) working on it:-) :-)
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 08:26 PM
working on it,... hold on
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 09:12 PM
sorry for the bad pictures,, i will take some more in daylight,,

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Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 09:19 PM
more pics

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Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 09:22 PM
and more

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Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 09:28 PM
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Posted By: Gottlieb Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 09:31 PM
TEXTBOOK - congratulations !!!!
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 09:37 PM
thanks Gottlieb
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 09:47 PM
last three pics with some crossgrain.

i think it was worth the drive, now i just have to open the dagger and clean it , and i think of re-painting the scabbard black,, grin grin grin

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Posted By: Gottlieb Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 09:51 PM
Leave it as it is. Do not clean it. What do You want to remove - patina ???

Repainting scabbard black is in my opinion "must to do job" :-)
Posted By: PAULZAYA Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 10:19 PM
good one-i love to hear stories about stuff that comes out of the woodwork. nice dagger,worth the trip.thanks paul
Posted By: Adam Kirchen Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 10:23 PM
Great score congratulations! Oh and I hope that repainting thing was European humor. shocked Because it looks beautiful to me...
Posted By: anonymous 123 Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 11:25 PM
If this were mine I rub the scabbard with a good quality past wax. This should remove the surface rust and crud without disturbing the finish since the wax isn't abrasive. Re-finishing something should IMO always be a last resort.
Jim
Posted By: seany Re: Wish me luck - 10/27/2010 11:59 PM
Well worth the drive well done
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 12:22 AM
Guys... Thank you all for your comments, iam really happy with this dagger, i am leaving this one as found, but the advice with that wax paste is something to think about, Jim m do you have a name for that product?
Posted By: anonymous 123 Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 02:23 AM
zoza:
The paste wax products we use here or Butchers or Johnsons Paste Wax or the old Simoniz Car Wax. I don't know a product to recommend for you in Europe but you could check with a cabinet maker or hardware store in your area.
Perhaps there's a European member here that can recommend a specific product.
Jim
Posted By: Mikee Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 06:34 AM
Congratulations! Now that's truely out of the wood work!
Posted By: Skynyrd Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 08:04 AM
Great, honest looking weapon, congrats !
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 10:54 AM
Thank you guys , Working on the daylight pics....
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 01:04 PM
hmm seem to have a minor problem.. can somebody help me to post a couple of pictures?
Posted By: Larry C Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 02:24 PM
JACKPOT!!!Really sweet find!! It would be interesting to know about the building it was found in,, if it was the SS mans home or a hiding place for his dagger. Beautiful and untouched....Congrats,, on a find that we all can only wish for in a condition that yours is in. Best Regards larry
Posted By: MerlinSS Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 03:04 PM
Fantastic…. What a find, nice one.
Posted By: vintagetimenow Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 04:37 PM
Nice dagger. Wow, an eight hour drive there and back again, I hope the price was right! I find the location of the verticle hanger very interesting in that the strap goes across the grip, and looks like it was cut down.
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 04:57 PM
Thanks guys for all your comments..
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Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 05:11 PM
grin and the last one,,
the vertical hanger strap seem to have been cut down,
does this say anything about the owner? maybe pedantic?

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Posted By: Hakan81 Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 05:31 PM
Nice score mate, very nice indeed !!!!!!
Congrats, Håkan
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 05:43 PM
tack ska du ha smile thank you mate
Posted By: vintagetimenow Re: Wish me luck - 10/28/2010 10:41 PM
Originally Posted By: zoza
grin and the last one,,
the vertical hanger strap seem to have been cut down,
does this say anything about the owner? maybe pedantic?

Hmm, I had to look that one up smile

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ostentatious in one's learning.
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overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, esp. in teaching.
Posted By: Erich Re: Wish me luck - 10/29/2010 12:41 AM
Congrats on your fantastic find. I just looked under the steps in my house and no such luck!
Posted By: Larry C Re: Wish me luck - 10/29/2010 02:13 AM
Im curious,,I have seen other 121/34 daggers with no roman numeral stamping,, and this one also,, why is that? The 120/34 daggers have the Roman numeral,, and the are relatively close together in the production year. Just a thought. ..Larry
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/29/2010 02:36 AM
Larry i have seen the 121/34 with roman I , in most cases they are without the district marking, interesting point, they are in fact produced the same year 1934 . First of all we have to find out when did they stop to district mark the early dagger?
Posted By: kreta1961 Re: Wish me luck - 10/29/2010 02:39 AM
Originally Posted By: zoza
Larry i have seen the 121/34 with roman I , in most cases they are without the district marking, interesting point, they are in fact produced the same year 1934 . First of all we have to find out when did they stop to district mark the early dagger?


That's a pretty good question.

BTW:A nice find!
Gerd
Posted By: 777 Re: Wish me luck - 10/29/2010 02:32 PM
Zoza, I'd like to congratulate you this fantastic find. I know the feeling of getting something hidden for last 70 years. I posessed once a little Beretta Mod.34 with holster that was found during the roof renovation by my neighbour.
I handled only 2 121's and both didn't have roman numeral stamp.
Nice to see your new dagger has a good company smile
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/29/2010 03:34 PM
Thanks 777..

The feeling of finding a untouched dagger that never seen daylight since the war, is just fantastic.. :-)

love this hobby.
Posted By: WunderKind Re: Wish me luck - 10/29/2010 05:45 PM
I really like the 120's and 121's! Speaking of painting, my 121 has a poorly repainted scabbard I would like to have someone work on this for me as in taking off the paint and taking a look at anodizing underneath and maybe a repaint, ideas?
Posted By: Gottlieb Re: Wish me luck - 10/29/2010 08:41 PM
Originally Posted By: 777
Nice to see your new dagger has a good company smile


777 You have got an eye !!!
Posted By: Larry C Re: Wish me luck - 10/31/2010 03:17 AM
Zoza, I cant help but to comment again on your great find and after viewing your photos again, you have achieved what most collectors can only dream of or wish for when finding a dagger in untouched quality as the one you now own. I consider it the "Untouched of the Untouched" Although it is not in mint condition,,which alot of collectors would desire to find,, it is the Untouched Virgin IMO that is truly desirable. Totally unmessed with!! There is but a babys breath of a runner mark almost invisible,,if you were not looking for it.
121/34 is a common SS dagger,,but a very rare dagger in which the state of condition it was found in!! I still shake my head in disbelief,, that there is "Woodwork" still out there with Hidden treasures. Dont let go of this one! Cheers to you and a great find. Larry
Posted By: E Rader Re: Wish me luck - 10/31/2010 04:26 PM
VERY nice unmessed with dagger. IMO VERY rare in todays market as most dagges have been cleaned up, or taken apart at some point in time. PLEASE do not clean it as it screms of history in its present state. If you look at all the major shows and dealer sights you will see only about 5%-10% of the exmaples have not been cleaned up. Normally cleaning the patina off any antique is a sin! I never understood why German dagger collectors feel the need to tinker and buff these!
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 10/31/2010 05:36 PM
Larry,
Thank you very very much for your comment, I will be keeping this one that is a promise :-)

E Rader: you are absolutely right, It screams history, Dont worry i will not clean the patina of the dagger,neither will i open it to check the markings on the crossguards,it stays as found:-)
There is one thing that bothers me ,,the scabbard,,
it screams to take of that rust, so i found my self in a situation where i dont know what to do??? to clean of that surface rust or leave it as it is...
any ideas?

cheers
Posted By: Larry C Re: Wish me luck - 11/01/2010 03:21 AM
IMO I would do something about the surface rust and there are some guys out here that know exactly what to do in removing it and not corrupting whats beneath. Surface rust IMO could possibly take a turn and go into your scabbard. I know all these years it has been sitting on top but I myself would not like to find out if one day it gets worse and i regret it. I dont see anything wrong with removing rust. But only if its possible.

Originally Posted By: E Rader
Normally cleaning the patina off any antique is a sin! I never understood why German dagger collectors feel the need to tinker and buff these!


E Rader is right,, This is true in removing patina which shows its true age,, but surface rust is just like early signs of skin cancer from overexposure from the beach. I myself would not wait as far as the scabbard is concerned. Im sure you would like to see a return of the black anodizing on your scabbard, and leave everything else alone!!

Also in its present condition it does tell a story where it has been all these years,,but the surface rust?? I would be willing to remove it with the guidance of others out here who have successfully done it. I have seen the beautiful outcome when done correctly and with the use of the right oils,, the return of its original luster. Larry
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 11/01/2010 12:04 PM

Also in its present condition it does tell a story where it has been all these years,,but the surface rust?? I would be willing to remove it with the guidance of others out here who have successfully done it. I have seen the beautiful outcome when done correctly and with the use of the right oils,, the return of its original luster. Larry[/quote]

anybody.. a tip what to use?
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 11/20/2010 12:24 AM
Common guys, 18 days has gone , no advice? Should i leave it as found?
Posted By: 777 Re: Wish me luck - 11/20/2010 01:46 AM
This rust will be very hard to remove without affecting the remains of original factory finish. Spraying "Ballistol" over it and wiping with cotton cloth will not do any harm, I would do this if it was my dagger. Try to ask at Restoration, Conservation, and Maintenance Forum.
Posted By: vintagetimenow Re: Wish me luck - 11/20/2010 03:19 AM
With this amount of rust, you cannot remove the rust and expect to have a finish underneath, as it is gone already! Only apply something to the rust to inactivate/stop further rusting.

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Posted By: Sharpe Re: Wish me luck - 11/20/2010 08:42 PM
Patina is always best to leave but rust only ever gets worse, yes you can slow the decay down alot. With a scabbard that has this much surface & maybe deeper rust I could only say to strip it down then VAPOUR blast the rust off inside & out,there might be a way to do less damage,then recoat it. Oviously it will look done up but it will not get any worse.
Posted By: zoza Re: Wish me luck - 11/20/2010 09:18 PM
Great! Guys thanks for all your opinions. the rust is not deep at all, just on the surface, i will just apply something so it will not get worse. and keep it as it is. An untouched is always in my opinion more desirable.
Cheers.

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Posted By: Terry Pullen Re: Wish me luck - 11/28/2010 12:25 AM
Just spray the scabbard with WD40, leave for 20 minutes and dry with a clean cloth.
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