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could you guys (girls?) help me out with SS, not really into the "dark force".
So anyhelp is welcome

for the moment I have only 4 pics

<img src="http://www.deadzoom.com/users/joemustang65/SDC10093.jpg" />

how do i get these pics posted?
can i no longer add pics with attachment ?

Here You are...

thx Gottlieb, was in hurry this morning to get a few pics posted.
Now i had the time to read the new GDC software hints.
so here we go

I think it looks ok at least original.
My only concern is that the dagger is RZM marked (so mid period) and that the crossgaurd has a roman figur I on it (so early period)
Is that a problem or could this be a transitional dagger.

I'm afraid that this dagger has multiple "issues" (not good). If it's at all possible I would some additional pictures of the crossguard and the crossguard to mouthpiece fit. And especially in the area where it looks like something was stamped sufficiently hard on the outside - to collapse a portion the socket cavity. FP

Hello, what about the S/S in a circle crudely stamped/engraved on the left side of the crossguard. First time I've ever seen that. Regards, Leipzig

i asked for more pics but waiting.
i do have the two original pics that where on the website.
and i'm not sure that there is something stamped into the crossgaurds (since that's not visible on these 2 pics below) .
might be a reflection

ss in a circle is most likely a fieldjob
i have seen fieldjobs on other daggers, but not SS that's correct

I like the way the supposedly legitimate crossguard markings are mostly covered by a small shadow. But the upper portion of the top scabbard mount is not.

Noooo - not really. And that is just for starters. FP

ok what else?
so I (we) can learn something from this post

ok just got some new pics but still not that clear

a close up

Without going into the dagger itself, the crossguard markings are bizzare. I can't imagine why there would be runes in a circle on it. The numbers are more neatly placed than usually seen. Not necessarily a bad thing, but a bit suspicious to me. I don't understand the "butchered" area in the center. Perhaps to hide a Gau mark? Very odd. The dagger may or may not be okay and the markings placed on the guard postwar to enhance it. Just my impression.

i don't like the font type thats been used to stamp the no's

Hi All:

A late dagger for someone who joined the SS in early 1933.


Ross Kelbaugh

www.ssdaggers.com
www.HistoricGraphics.com

To ‘cut to the chase’ with some of what I don’t like. While (obviously) a first hand look is much better, I think the “Circle/SS” might have been done with our old friend the “Dremel” tool (or one of its ‘cousins’). With markings like these being often seen with common items (bayonets. leather goods etc. etc.) that are supposed to be “SS” - but are in fact fakes by virtue of the postwar added markings.

But then some of the damage to the scabbard top mount makes no sense either. Unless perhaps it is a (re) painted nickel silver mounted SA scabbard masquerading as an SS scabbard. To go with the other early SA parts, and that (very amateurishly damaged) nickel plated pommel nut.

Most admittedly I’m making some guesses based on incomplete information. But not I think with my zero confidence level that this is somehow a period original. FP

I don't like what I see either.

The grip wood looks too light, the shape on the edges too rounded, and poor fit. The upper scabbard fitting look quite odd to me, perhaps a reproduction. The texture of the motto looks too coarse, like the old Reddick repros. It's always hard to tell from photos, but pictures of the blade tang and the openings of the top and bottom of the grip would help.

Whether it's an altered original (or reproduction) component, from my point of view it's still a fake with some serious problems. Here is a closeup view of the mouthpiece, that is the best I could do with the images provided.

It looks to me like the mouthpiece was expanded (or shifted), to put it on the scabbard body, with a bulge at the top left. Which split the seam. And a new hole has been drilled to mount the screw - leaving visible part of small circular hole below and to the lower right. FP

ok thx for the replies.
the first "dark side" dagger will be postponed once more.
Sure I could spend 3000$ and buy from the more known sellers, but i still like the thrill of the chase. (as long no accidents happen )

just received a few extra shots, and will post them to complete this topic.

last pics

Yeah, this dagger is a little bit "bizarre". Good ol' Gottlieb Hammesfahr back in business of makin' SS daggers in 1940? Why the distance between the motto and crossguard is so big? Looks almost like Eickhorn "Röhm". And those odd engravings on the lower crossguard...
Hard to believe the damage to the crossguard didn't "affect" the grip.

With the latest series of pictures it’s very easy to see how someone could be deceived. In some you can't really even see the markings, much less damage/alterations. And if a seller, well known or not, can’t or won’t provide good quality images - I would be having some serious thoughts about whether or not I really want to take a chance with something looks like it might be out of place.

As to: “Hard to believe the damage to the crossguard didn't "affect" the grip.” The most reasonable explanation of course is that they were not together when it happened. With the crossguard simply being one of the many early SA nickel silver types that have been postwar salvaged. To be put on other daggers that were lacking, or needed an “upgrade” for one reason or another.

One of the companies that actually had a core manufacturing capability. Hammesfahr was given an Army (Wehrmacht) Fertigungskennzeichen - Manufacturers Code ("cvp") in March of 1941, making small arms components. FP

A legit. SS M.7/67 1940 is a 'scarce-rare' SS Transitional Dagger.

As Frogprince noted, there problems with this particular Dagger.

On a GDC link from May 24, 2006, Neal Jackson posted this very nice comparison Photo of three 'legit' examples of the SS M.7/67 1940 [I didn't keep the actual Link but it should be found in a search.]

Neal captioned this Photo as:

"... COMPARISON:
Left to right (THESE ARE THE IMAGES)

Russian [Dealer's] - [Dieter's Dagger] - Shea/Wittmann [Dagger]

Below The Three, is
RZM on an SA [blade] (note period after M.7) ...."

I'm aware of only 5-7 examples of the SS M.7/67 1940, so it makes for a nice addition to any SS Dagger collection. ...Txs, Dave / dblmed