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Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 02:37 PM
I'll start with this textbook Type 2.

-serge-


Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 02:38 PM
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 02:39 PM
Ok..who's next?

Posted By: mrfabulous Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 03:12 PM
Outstanding! Smile
Posted By: Roger Jeandell aka Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 04:55 PM
Hello Serge, that's an outstanding example of my favorite type! Nice scabbard paint and darkening to the chain links! Eek Thanks for showing, Leipzig
Posted By: patrice Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 06:31 PM
From the pics, the scabbard is anodized and not painted. Wink It also has the mid period scabbard plated fittings which is perfectly correct for this vintage type configuration.

It is 100% original and in a fantastic condition, a real beauty that I wouldn't mind having in my collection.

Congrats Serge.
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 07:28 PM
Thanks Mr. Fab. and Roger. Smile

Oooh Pat, That's good! You know your chained SS daggers too! Pat's nailed it dead on! Wink

Now I know you guys...
Yea YOU Guys!
The ones that have been buying these up and stashing them for years. Let us see a couple of them. Come on... Razz

-serge-
Posted By: wotan Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 08:33 PM
Ok, all shown somewhere before.
An older scan of my two early ones (type 2 chain, painted scabbard) with all nickle silver fittings and the septum death�s head.

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Posted By: wotan Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 08:33 PM
One of them with accoutrement.

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Posted By: wotan Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 08:35 PM
And a scan of one of my late ones ((type 2 iron chain with blued scabbard and remarkable (period!) bound portepee)). Regards,

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Posted By: wotan Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 08:40 PM
And a Type 1 chain. Nickle silver crossguards (no group stamp; they sometimes do come with "Sa" "Wf" or so), anodized scabbard, iron scabbard fittings.
Regards,

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Posted By: Roger Jeandell aka Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 08:55 PM
Serge, here you go! Bought in '04 for $3995! As long as we're guessing vintage and type, I'll keep mum, Pat, anyone? Razz Regards, Leipzig

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Posted By: Roger Jeandell aka Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 08:57 PM
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Posted By: Dave Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 10:24 PM
My only chained SS

Dave

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Posted By: Ritterkreuz Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/25/2009 11:16 PM
Here is my one and only.

Posted By: Skyline Drive Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/26/2009 12:12 AM
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Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/26/2009 01:01 AM
There ya go Boys! Some real nice ones too. I like them ALL!

If these is one dagger that screams 3RD REICH, for me at least, it has to be the chained SS dagger. Hands Down! Wink

Keep em coming guys...I know there are plenty more out there... Razz

-serge-
Posted By: Billy G. Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/26/2009 03:18 AM
An old shot, sans scabbard. Not that my photography has gotten much better but at least it shows the crossgraining Smile

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Posted By: Knucklehead Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/26/2009 05:42 AM
Posted By: patrice Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/26/2009 10:35 AM
All very fine SS Chained daggers and who said they were rare. Big Grin
And for those of you who haven't spent your stimulus check or tax refund yet, you can own a very uncommon ided chained SS dagger that belonged to SS-Gruppenf�hrer Walter Staudinger on Tom Wittman's website. His ided SS sword is thrown in and the price for the pair has been reduced to boot! They are No. 5 on his "Special Offerings" section:

http://www.wwiidaggers.com/SPO.htm

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

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Staudinger has a pretty extensive SS Officer File. Here is his record of service assignments.

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

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I only found two photos of Staudinger in his records. Neither are of him in his uniform.

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

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Posted By: lakesidetrader Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/27/2009 07:14 PM
Wow Some great stuff!!
Posted By: bgrelics Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/28/2009 01:55 AM
Great daggers. A chance to dig my three pieces out of the safe. I have bought around 7 Chained SS daggers from my hotel buys, in fact i just bought one about three months ago. These are three that i have kept for myself. All have great no maker blades, anodized scabbards, handles are perfect with no chips.
thanks
Bob

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Posted By: bgrelics Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/28/2009 01:56 AM
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Posted By: bgrelics Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/28/2009 01:58 AM
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The white tags are for my own inventory, so if i kick the bucket my daughter will have an idea what they are worth.

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Posted By: Troy Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/28/2009 08:46 AM
mine

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Posted By: JOE LINGE Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/28/2009 02:30 PM
MINE, SORRY FOR THE POOR PHOTO. JOE

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Posted By: Mann Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/28/2009 03:21 PM
What an amazing show! Eek
Thanks to all of the thread contributors.
I'm one of the ones who has never even seen or touched one of these in person. Frown
They indeed hold an ominous and menacing aura.
Cheers,(&keep'emcoming!)
Pauli
Posted By: disbo100 Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/28/2009 07:18 PM
Bob, are you showing off again..

Good idea about the tags.. Never really thought about it that way.

When ya comin' back down to FL.. Im sure Ansley will whip something good for us.

Ill have to dig out my chains now..

Chris
Posted By: Ritterkreuz Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/28/2009 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by bgrelics:
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The white tags are for my own inventory, so if i kick the bucket my daughter will have an idea what they are worth.


Is your daughter single??? Im just playing, those are some beauties. Mark Big Grin
Posted By: bgrelics Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/29/2009 12:18 AM
Mark,
Yes she is single but has a boyfriend. I guess iam addicted to doing hotel buys,it is the chase,hunt, you never know what will walk thru the door, it is like a treasure hunt, more interesting then actually owning the item. I have bought some really neat items, some i kept, most i have resold. Some of you guys may own some of the items i have dug up , bought from me or someone else that i sold them to.
thanks
Bob
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ross Kelbaugh (SS-Researcher):
I only found two photos of Staudinger in his records. Neither are of him in his uniform.

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh

As with many Berlin recorded career data compilation forms, the dates on the Dienstlaufbahn shown in the previous post are wrong compared to what actually happended in the field/with the unit. An accurate career synopsis requires more material closer to the events or individual when recorded. That's my experience in the 15 SS books I've written this far and having studied Staudinger's career for my ongoing SS/Police German Cross holders series with Bender Publishing. Here is Staudinger in uniform, wearing the German Cross in Gold awarded earlier when a Standartenf�hrer and the Artillerie Regimentskommandeur "LSSAH" on June 18, 1942.

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Posted By: janjan Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/30/2009 06:00 AM
Hi

Beautifull daggers but I se more type II chains are they more common?
Why are they more common
Posted By: Reibert Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/30/2009 06:02 PM
I wanna show you some pic�s of an M 36, that was found together with this M 33:

http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/...28099473/m/533107051

Very interesting the "Gau-Marke", stamped on the crossguard !

The pic�s are very poor, (I shot them on the evening in winter as I bought the dagger�s and I was very excited, because I catched these two dagger�s for ...

Anyway, it was a bargain ! Wink

The blade�s of the dagger�s where greased very well, as you can see on the pic�s of my M 36.

This dagger is not in that good shape as the dagger�s, that are shown in this thread till now, but I like it ! Smile

Rgds.,

R.

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Posted By: John Pepera Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/31/2009 12:31 AM
Max Pauly

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Posted By: John Pepera Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/31/2009 12:32 AM
(a)

Martin Schmid

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Posted By: John Pepera Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/31/2009 12:32 AM
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Posted By: John Pepera Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/31/2009 12:33 AM
(a)

Helmuth Schoun

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Posted By: John Pepera Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/31/2009 12:38 AM
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Helmuth Schoun

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Posted By: Skyline Drive Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/31/2009 12:45 AM
Mr. Pepera, what a feast for the eyes! One thing that strikes me is that all three look to be Type I's. However, the Martin Schmid example looks to be a Type I with Type II style burnishing to the chain links and center ramp. I have never seen this before.
Posted By: bgrelics Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 05/31/2009 10:41 PM
John,
Great daggers.Where did you get so may dedicated chain daggers?They sure are very nice looking pieces.
thanks
Bob
Posted By: John Pepera Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 06/01/2009 03:11 AM
Hi Bob,

Been collecting since back when these oddities were available, once in awhile.

I have several other inscribed SS pieces as pictured in Wittmann�s SS book but these are the only 1936 model dedicated pieces.

John
Posted By: John Pepera Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 06/01/2009 03:26 AM
(a)

Here is one that I overlooked previously:

Prince Josias von Waldeck und Pyrmont.

He was the only person of German nobility that was tried and prosecuted for war crimes.

Yes, the blade has been buffed but not too bad. After making a tentative deal with the veteran on the telephone and setting up a meeting at a restaurant off the turnpike, he brought it into the restaurant in a bag and proceeded to tell me how he 'cleaned it up� for me since it was so 'dirty'!

OH MY GOSH!

Oh well, it is what it is and what I got and I certainly wouldn't reject it.

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(think that he has the money for a house keeper and a landscaper?)

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 06/01/2009 04:43 AM
Nice stuff all around. And John, wow! Those are wonderful!
Posted By: tobau Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 06/01/2009 10:36 AM
Hello John P.,
that's big cinema.Here is a one shot for your display "Erbprinz zu Waldeck".

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Great stuff guys! Here's a bit more of the Waldeck story.

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

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These are a few items from his very extensive SS Officer File.

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

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This would be an interesting flea market find...

Enjoy!

Ross Kelbaugh
www.ssdaggers.com

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ross Kelbaugh (SS-Researcher):
Great stuff guys! Here's a bit more of the Waldeck story.

Here is some more accurate data on him from within my book "Allgemeine-SS, The Commands, Units, and Leaders of the General SS."

Mark C. Yerger

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And an earlier newspaper image of him from the same book

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Posted By: Dave Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 06/08/2009 01:01 PM
I have taken out a post that was both an offer to sell and a want ad that was not supported by a Premium Membership.
Dave
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 06/13/2009 12:06 AM
Thanks for all the guys who dug out these beauties and shared them with us.

Researchable, personalized M-36 are rare, and are a delight when we have a advavance collectors share these gems with us.

Truly the M-36 Chained SS dagger is the most menacing production dagger produced during the period. The early nickle initial production examples have a "heft" to them and are a pleasure to feel in hand. -serge-


Posted By: E Rader Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/07/2009 05:33 PM
Here is my SS Collection.

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Early NM condition

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Posted By: E Rader Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/07/2009 05:35 PM
Nice Type 1

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Posted By: E Rader Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/07/2009 05:35 PM
This is my gem minty mid period M36

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Posted By: E Rader Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/07/2009 05:37 PM
SS Degan came out of the woodwork a few months ago. Early nickle -no makers mark but 99% sure it was build by Krebs....oh ya it has a 37" blade!

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Posted By: weezer Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/07/2009 08:36 PM
Chained
Posted By: patrice Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/07/2009 09:05 PM
The SS Officer who owned that SS Degen must have been a giant.
Wink
Superb grouping Eric.
Posted By: anonymous 123 Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/07/2009 09:38 PM
I have an SS officers degen with a 33" blade and I figured the wearer would have to be at least 6" tall.
Jim
Posted By: E Rader Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/07/2009 09:41 PM
Thanks Pat. I would guess he was 6'5-6'6 range. I am 6'0 and it drags the ground on me!

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Posted By: anonymous 123 Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/07/2009 11:11 PM
A beautiful example BTW Eric. By far these are my favorite 3rd Reich swords. I have a couple examples so is anyone interested in starting a seperate thread like "Show us your SS Degens"?
Jim
Posted By: E Rader Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/07/2009 11:48 PM
Thats a good idea! I will start one......
Posted By: Serge (aka Wagner) Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/08/2009 01:42 AM
Great SS grouping you got there Eric. Eek Congrats!

That SS officer must have been an imposing figure in a full dress Algemeine uniform. Cool

-serge-
Posted By: mongobongo Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/08/2009 07:53 PM
Here are my three, minty nickel silver one, mixed metal one and a dedicated Nickel silver one.

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Posted By: mongobongo Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/08/2009 07:54 PM
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3 crappy pic sorry

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Posted By: JR Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/08/2009 08:36 PM
M36

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Posted By: torinojo2 Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/08/2009 09:49 PM
JR- Were not you banned for this type of porn?
Posted By: E Rader Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/22/2009 01:50 PM
This mid period M36 is my best example (condition)

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back

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Blade

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Posted By: Nolan Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 11/22/2009 04:26 PM
Troy, your dagger is simply beautiful and a perfect example and reason for why these artifacts should be cleaned and preserved. The supposed interest in TR artifacts is their existence in that period prior to to May 1945, whatever any collector sees in 70 years of post accumulated muck is beyond me. Roll Eyes and please don't mention 'Patina' it's no such thing, true patina is years and years of gentle caring not the gunge we see on some examples.
Posted By: malla Re: Let's see Chained SS daggers! - 01/09/2010 11:18 PM
Here is my 33-36 upgrade Boker, it has been sat in my drawer for the last 8 years, the blade is better than it looks in the photos as it has grease on it.





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