Early SS dagger Gottlieb Hammesfahr Solingen-Foche - 08/05/2010 11:09 PM
Hi all,
Before I proudly shoot "my" dagger in here, Id like to tell a bit about Hammesfahr. 'Cause, we'll need at least a BIT about what were having here, no? So, Hammesfahr, was founded late during 17th century. 1684 to be precise. And they used the logo that they had (piramid) from 1898 onward. The Hammesfahr company REALLY got famous during World War II? But lets wait a sec, and look back a bit.
The official date that the Hammesfahr factory was founded, is 1804. Hammesfahr was a registered in Chamber of Commerce on October 12 of year 1875. At that period Hammesfahr was the biggest cutleryproducer in the town Solingen. The firm specialized in forging (Gesenkschmiede), making knives, tools + blacksmithing.
Before we go to the 3rd Reich era, we need to know that Hammesfahr went in business with AG, Nirosta-Werk. This AG Nirosta got to be a popular brand of Hammesfahr. The company Gottlieb Hammesfahr & Co. AG Nirosta-Werk was working from Solingen-Foche. The address from 1939 to 1970 was Focherstra�e 60 in Solingen-Foche. This is a bit important. We KNOW Nirosta as Solinger Metallwarenfabrik BUT, maybe its more clear when I type SMF. This is a makermark for SA daggers too! Also known as St�cker & Co. This St�cker & Co/SMF/Solinger Metallwaffenfabrik was founded in 1897.
Back to Gottlieb-Hammesfahr. During the Third Reich, Hammesfahr made both SA and SS daggers. The early daggers had the oval trademark. Later daggers could have other trademarks too. I was able to find some numbers that were used also besides RZM code; LD/8, WMO/32/506 and WW189/753. SMF/St�cker had M7/9 as RZM license, Hammesfahr got M7/67. Mind that Gottlieb Hammesfahr is NOT Hammesfahr & Cie, they had the swimmer-logo for early daggers BUT dit NOT get RZM license.
In 1939 the company owner is Ernst Gottlieb Hammesfahr. In 1942 they made cutlery, scissors, pocket knives and razors with the brands Pyramide and Nirosta. This Nirosta, is a couple 1st letters from words combined, like so; NIROSTA = NICHT ROSTENDER STAHL. Or, in english, neverrusting steel, or unrustable steel, something like that. The Nirosta® registered trademark was claimed in 1922. Some other Nirosta info is here.
The Hammesfahr company was taken over by Wilkens Bremer Silberwaren in 1971. Wilkens Bremer Silberwaren reorganized the company and it still exists today;
Link to Company
Link to Company background
Link to Repairservice from a real Hammesfahr trained employee
Shortlist of facts for Gottlieb Hammesfahr & Co. AG, Nirosta-Werk, Solingen-Foche;
Used company brands: Pyramide, Gottlieb Hammesfahr, Foche, Gottlieb Hammesfahr, Solingen-Foche, pyramid, Nirosta, No Rusteel.
Used company Trademarks: two rings, a pyramid with a cross, cross over two rings, RZM code M7/67, Kurzzeichen cvp (from march 1941).
The Hammesfahr-name is found in other steel-firms too;
Karl Hammesfahr, Fabrikation feiner Stahlwaren, Solingen-Foche, was on the Bergstra�e, 9 (1922)
Otto Hammesfahr, Besteckfabrik, Solingen-Ohligs, Schulstra�e 22 (1935) and Renpatt 22 (1939)
Hammesfahr & Cie. or Gustav Hammesfahr, Messer und Scheren-Fabrik Solingen, Donaustra�e 35 (1939)
The 1st 2 Hammesfahrs are unknown? But the 3rd, well, maybe someone with a Dolch by that maker will have fun diving into that maker? Also, some info on bayonets, might be nice, a little while ago, someone had a bayonet made by an SA maker, so, why not put the stuff I found here too. I dont know what these are, and, it was to far away from this story to dive in, but, you guys probably know anyway;
S 98/05 bayonets, made from 1915 to 1918. Usually made together with other firms. The early bayonets have the trademark with the curvy company name. Most of them got marked with Erfurt Arsenal. Later bayonets with pyramid-trademark got stamped with 3 trademarks Kopp Werke AG in Bielefeld, Dietrich in Altenburg and Schubert & Salzer in Chemnitz.
S 84/98 bayonets were made from 1915 to 1917. Most of these got branded Bayard and trademark Anciens Etablissements Pieper in Li�ge. Close combat knives (Nahkampmesser) were also made in this period and also had the 3 trademarks.
I found a little reference to 2 books somewhere here, so, maybe its interesting to know that hese titles exist? The Goins Encyclopedia of Cutlery markings and Anthony Carters The Sword and Knife Makers of Germany 1850-2000. I think these above things + many more can be found in those books.
Enjoy,
Karin-Renate
Before I proudly shoot "my" dagger in here, Id like to tell a bit about Hammesfahr. 'Cause, we'll need at least a BIT about what were having here, no? So, Hammesfahr, was founded late during 17th century. 1684 to be precise. And they used the logo that they had (piramid) from 1898 onward. The Hammesfahr company REALLY got famous during World War II? But lets wait a sec, and look back a bit.
The official date that the Hammesfahr factory was founded, is 1804. Hammesfahr was a registered in Chamber of Commerce on October 12 of year 1875. At that period Hammesfahr was the biggest cutleryproducer in the town Solingen. The firm specialized in forging (Gesenkschmiede), making knives, tools + blacksmithing.
Before we go to the 3rd Reich era, we need to know that Hammesfahr went in business with AG, Nirosta-Werk. This AG Nirosta got to be a popular brand of Hammesfahr. The company Gottlieb Hammesfahr & Co. AG Nirosta-Werk was working from Solingen-Foche. The address from 1939 to 1970 was Focherstra�e 60 in Solingen-Foche. This is a bit important. We KNOW Nirosta as Solinger Metallwarenfabrik BUT, maybe its more clear when I type SMF. This is a makermark for SA daggers too! Also known as St�cker & Co. This St�cker & Co/SMF/Solinger Metallwaffenfabrik was founded in 1897.
Back to Gottlieb-Hammesfahr. During the Third Reich, Hammesfahr made both SA and SS daggers. The early daggers had the oval trademark. Later daggers could have other trademarks too. I was able to find some numbers that were used also besides RZM code; LD/8, WMO/32/506 and WW189/753. SMF/St�cker had M7/9 as RZM license, Hammesfahr got M7/67. Mind that Gottlieb Hammesfahr is NOT Hammesfahr & Cie, they had the swimmer-logo for early daggers BUT dit NOT get RZM license.
In 1939 the company owner is Ernst Gottlieb Hammesfahr. In 1942 they made cutlery, scissors, pocket knives and razors with the brands Pyramide and Nirosta. This Nirosta, is a couple 1st letters from words combined, like so; NIROSTA = NICHT ROSTENDER STAHL. Or, in english, neverrusting steel, or unrustable steel, something like that. The Nirosta® registered trademark was claimed in 1922. Some other Nirosta info is here.
The Hammesfahr company was taken over by Wilkens Bremer Silberwaren in 1971. Wilkens Bremer Silberwaren reorganized the company and it still exists today;
Link to Company
Link to Company background
Link to Repairservice from a real Hammesfahr trained employee
Shortlist of facts for Gottlieb Hammesfahr & Co. AG, Nirosta-Werk, Solingen-Foche;
Used company brands: Pyramide, Gottlieb Hammesfahr, Foche, Gottlieb Hammesfahr, Solingen-Foche, pyramid, Nirosta, No Rusteel.
Used company Trademarks: two rings, a pyramid with a cross, cross over two rings, RZM code M7/67, Kurzzeichen cvp (from march 1941).
The Hammesfahr-name is found in other steel-firms too;
Karl Hammesfahr, Fabrikation feiner Stahlwaren, Solingen-Foche, was on the Bergstra�e, 9 (1922)
Otto Hammesfahr, Besteckfabrik, Solingen-Ohligs, Schulstra�e 22 (1935) and Renpatt 22 (1939)
Hammesfahr & Cie. or Gustav Hammesfahr, Messer und Scheren-Fabrik Solingen, Donaustra�e 35 (1939)
The 1st 2 Hammesfahrs are unknown? But the 3rd, well, maybe someone with a Dolch by that maker will have fun diving into that maker? Also, some info on bayonets, might be nice, a little while ago, someone had a bayonet made by an SA maker, so, why not put the stuff I found here too. I dont know what these are, and, it was to far away from this story to dive in, but, you guys probably know anyway;
S 98/05 bayonets, made from 1915 to 1918. Usually made together with other firms. The early bayonets have the trademark with the curvy company name. Most of them got marked with Erfurt Arsenal. Later bayonets with pyramid-trademark got stamped with 3 trademarks Kopp Werke AG in Bielefeld, Dietrich in Altenburg and Schubert & Salzer in Chemnitz.
S 84/98 bayonets were made from 1915 to 1917. Most of these got branded Bayard and trademark Anciens Etablissements Pieper in Li�ge. Close combat knives (Nahkampmesser) were also made in this period and also had the 3 trademarks.
I found a little reference to 2 books somewhere here, so, maybe its interesting to know that hese titles exist? The Goins Encyclopedia of Cutlery markings and Anthony Carters The Sword and Knife Makers of Germany 1850-2000. I think these above things + many more can be found in those books.
Enjoy,
Karin-Renate
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