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Posted By: Mr. Jerry Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/15/2008 02:40 AM
I have some concerns on the construction style of the flag listed for sale on the sales table.

Battle flag

has anyone seen anything like this with provenance?
Posted By: Ed Sunday Re: Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/15/2008 04:49 AM
I've never seen one constructed in that manner.
I have my doubts on this one as being original.
Posted By: Gaspare Re: Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/15/2008 02:52 PM
,,gotta give him a few reasons though...Brass grommets? That alone usually is a red flag for me..The stitching, no ink, no reinforcement,the material itself,,all other problems for me on a battle flag..
if you guys have other concerns put 'em up...,G.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/16/2008 12:38 AM
The link is gone..

Mark Frown
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/16/2008 12:41 AM
I see where it has moved...

Mark Big Grin
Posted By: Mr. Jerry Re: Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/16/2008 04:15 AM
As I was the one that started the thread on the flag forum I will chime in. I am not trying to make waves or start a fight, just on the eternal "quest for truth".

Here is the moved link: Flag

The photos are fine, they show more than enough detail to make me question the flag.

The presence of grommets on this type of flag is quite unusual as was mentioned, as is the complete lack of edge re-enforcement stitching. There is also no maker marking or size indicators. The edge sewing is very sloppy.

The size seems skinnier than the standard dimensions encountered. The Iron Cross seems in the wrong position.

I have not seen another repro like this, but then I don't look often at older reproductions. Many pieces made in the 1960s can exhibit honest age, foxing, and wear that will fool collectors. What concerns me more is the lack of Originals that I have seen like this.

If the flag was bought from a vet or not is irrelevant. We see lots of items that vets picked up "along the way" after the war that were never near Germany. Kids trade daddy's souvenirs. Vet's memories fade. These items blur together. Vets for the most part really don't care about the souvenirs they gathered to pay that much attention. Some items were even made up to be sold to veterans in occupied countries.

Now, playing Devil's advocate, this may be a foreign made example that was used in an occupied country. But I have seen nothing that points conclusively to that either.( I have seen foreign made ones and they too had maker markings from Italy, Czechoslovakia, etc.) A flag made like this would shred pretty quickly if flown outdoors.

In my opinion, if this flag were real, it would have been scooped up at that price, which is about 1/2 of the going rate.

Sorry, but that's how I see it.
Jerry
Posted By: Gaspare Re: Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/16/2008 05:53 AM
Jerry, thats how many others see it also.. The owner also has made his case..
Your avatar, whats that yellow doing there,and shouldn't that be a J on it?! Wink


Hey,,what the hell,,as long as he honors the sites return policy and the new owner is happy with it, throw it back up there..
Posted By: Ed Merritt Re: Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/16/2008 03:43 PM
I have decided to withdraw the flag from sale.
Posted By: Ed Merritt Re: Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/16/2008 04:56 PM
I believe you guys are correct in the diagnosis theat the flag is repro. It appears that many of the things in the (veteran)lot I bought are not correct. Some of the repro items even have moth holes, such as 2 SS armbands with backwards SS. I presume some of these things are older movie props or something. In any case I may post pictures of the reamainder of the lot to see what you think.
Thanks, Ed
Posted By: Ed Merritt Re: Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/16/2008 07:21 PM
I posted the remainder of the things on the badges and medals forum.
Ed
Posted By: Doug Kenwright Re: Battle Flag on Sales table - 12/17/2008 08:33 PM
Yes, the brass grommets are a concern on this type of flag,but are acceptable on vehicle identification banners in the political style.
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