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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/06/2008 04:24 AM
Lets see some of your favorite police ID's documents, papers, etc.

This is one of mine, of course Gendarmerie related, and with a bit a postwar aspect...

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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/06/2008 04:25 AM
Another shot of the same grouping

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/06/2008 01:39 PM
Here is an interesting Polizei Soldbuch. I did not know if I should put it here or in the WSP thread. This fellow is a reserve in the Wasserschutzpolizei. Notice he is wearing his standard police tunic in his photograph.

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:45 PM
Several years ago I got all these interesting documents concerning Schutzpolizei Lt. August Graef.

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:47 PM
Here some pages from his Polizei Dienstpass.

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:48 PM
..and 2nd page .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:49 PM
..and 3rd page .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:50 PM
..and 4th page .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:51 PM
..and 5th page .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:53 PM
..and 6th page . He had a lot of training !

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:54 PM
His promotion paper to Lt.

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:55 PM
..and the lower section .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:56 PM
..the embossed police eagle .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:57 PM
His party membership card. It has due stamps on the backside .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 06:59 PM
His work service card in the NSDAP .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 07:03 PM
..and his award document for his work service in the 'Westmark' . I assume work on the 'Westwall' construction work .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/13/2008 07:10 PM
..and a close-up of the cancel .
There are no other entries in his Polizei-Dienstpass after his promotion to Lt . on 29.10.43. May be he was 'rewarded' with an assignment to fight the Russian Partisans or some other secret duty ???

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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/17/2008 04:19 AM
quote:
Originally posted by ORPO:
Here is an interesting Polizei Soldbuch. I did not know if I should put it here or in the WSP thread. This fellow is a reserve in the Wasserschutzpolizei. Notice he is wearing his standard police tunic in his photograph.


Very nice example and we see such a little amount of material from the WSP! Thanks for sharing!
Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/17/2008 04:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by bernd:
Several years ago I got all these interesting documents concerning Schutzpolizei Lt. August Graef.


Bernd, nice grouping you have there! I always enjoy seeing these sort of groupings and knowing they will stay together! To me they say so much more about the individual and his career. Thanks for sharing!
Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/17/2008 06:05 PM
Dave : The total documents give a reflection of the guy's " Lebenslauf " to the 1943 October date .
I forgot , I also had his 'Stahlhelm ' membership booklet .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/17/2008 06:06 PM
First page .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/17/2008 06:09 PM
..and 3rd Page .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/17/2008 06:10 PM
..and 9th page .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/17/2008 06:12 PM
..and due stamp on page 11.

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Posted By: ORPO Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/18/2008 05:58 PM
Bernd,

It is very nice to have these document groupings. I have one complete personnel file that has file copies of all the policeman's documents and one set from a retirement including his retirement documents signed by his colleagues.

Here is an early 1932 Ausweis from the Bavarian Polizei for an Oberwachtmeister. Interesting that this fellow's name was Weimar and this was issued during the last days of the Weimar Republic.

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/21/2008 01:25 PM
George: Very nice document .
Here now a SOLDBUCH to Heinrich Koehler , a Polizei-Meister in Wilhelmhaven.

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/21/2008 01:26 PM
His photo and signature on the first inside page .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/21/2008 01:29 PM
The 1st page .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/21/2008 01:35 PM
The 2nd page . The swastika on the cancel was darkened out with a pencil , since he stayed in service at least until Dec.6.1945 under the British occupation .
On the 4th page is a note that he had joined the POLIZEI on 26.4.21---so he was a 'old timer'!

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/21/2008 01:46 PM
Page 5 gives his awards :
1.WWI Hindenburg Cross
2.Police Service Cross 2nd Class for 18years of service.
3.Austrian Annexation Medal .
4.Air Protection Medal
5.Sportsbadge ; this was crossedout , since it was replaced by the next medal .
6. SA-Sportsbadge.

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/21/2008 01:49 PM
Top of page 6 , which should have noted some combat action ,--but I don't know what the date stands for .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/21/2008 01:51 PM
Page 8 shows that he was still in service on Dec.6.1945 ; which would have been under the 'new management' of the British!

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/21/2008 01:54 PM
..And an other page that lists his issued equipment .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/21/2008 01:56 PM
..and a close-up of the nice cancel on page 6 .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/21/2008 03:05 PM
Sorry : Under his list of medals , I missed his War Service Cross 2nd class with Swords .
Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 06:58 PM
Well,--noone wants to make any remarks ??

I just have to post an other document , this time a 'Dienstausweis' issued to Pol.Ob.Wachtmeister Wilhelm Beck der Schutzpolizei der staatlichen Pol.-Verwaltung Berlin , issued 20.12.36.

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 06:59 PM
Close-up of Beck .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 07:01 PM
On the first inside page a ink notation with his promotion to Pol. Ob. Wachtmeister .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 07:03 PM
Other inside page shows the pass was good through 1939 .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 07:10 PM
And an other Dienstausweis ! Issued to Leonhard Ortner , Ober-Wachtmeister der Gendarmerie der Reserve in Ansbach , a town of 38,000 in Bavaria , near Nuernberg.

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 07:13 PM
..and a close-up of Leonhard.
I wonder where I have seen that style of mustach on a man ??

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 07:14 PM
1st inside page .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 07:18 PM
..and close-up of the cancel and signature of Hauptmann L.Katzenberger .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 07:19 PM
2nd inside page shows that the pass was good through 1944 .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 07:24 PM
.And now a Hilfs-Polizei Ausweis to Bruno Lorenz , a Harness maker or leather worker , like shoes .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 07:28 PM
Backside of the pass shows it was issued in Berlin , Schutzpolizei -Abschnittskommando of the district of Berlin- Wedding .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/23/2008 07:29 PM
...and close-up of the Major's signature and ink cancel.

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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/29/2008 04:09 AM
Bernd, excellent pictures and ID's!!! Also some new material that I've not seen before! It's really enjoyable seeing what others have been so fortunate to have found. Thanks for sharing!
Posted By: Don Bible Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/29/2008 02:06 PM
Erich Goerke Gestapo Id card and Wehrpass

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Posted By: Don Bible Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/29/2008 02:11 PM
Walter Sohst Kripo card

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Posted By: Don Bible Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/29/2008 02:20 PM
Three original sets of Gestapo and State Kripo ID

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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/30/2008 03:50 AM
Don, those postings are absolutely the best! Since I'm somewhat of a document collector, I have to say those Dienstausweis are amazing and that uniform picture on Sohst's example is WOW! I need to find one someday!!! Such stunning & rare material! Thanks for sharing!
Posted By: Don Bible Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/30/2008 10:58 AM
Thanks Dave. Here are two other cards for Sohst.
Don Bible

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Posted By: Don Bible Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/30/2008 10:59 AM
1942 card

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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/30/2008 12:30 PM
Don, now that is amazing, three cards for the same individual!!! How rare is that?? Have you seen many sets of ID's for the same individual? Were they issued annually? Those are fantastic and thanks for sharing!
Posted By: Don Bible Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/30/2008 03:39 PM
Dave,
All Gestapo and Kripo Dienstausweise are very rare. These multiple cards to one person should never have existed as it was against Himmler's regulations for an officer to keep a no longer valid police ID card for the Kripo or Gestapo. They were supposed to be turned in to be destroyed.

I think the combination of the fact that Walter Sohst was a high ranking officer and that he had been in three different sections of the non-uniformed police (Gestapo) (Gestapo training instructor) and (State Kripo) and was in different locations made it possible for him to keep all three cards.

The cards were found hidden with his moth-eaten shoulder boards and two 1945 tram tickets, hidden in a false wall of what was probably his former office in the Skoda Werke headquarters building, when it was being remodled for a Prague City office building.

Sohst, having health problems and being a trained engineer, was transferred to the Skoda munitions operation, taking him out of Germany into the Protektorate.

Full color pictures and the story of this discovery can be found in the September/October issue of "THE ARMOURER", a British militaria collectors magazine. Back issues can be ordered at editor.armourer@btinternet.com
Posted By: Don Bible Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 06/30/2008 03:51 PM
Walter Sohst spent ten years as a prisoner in Czech prisons from 1945 to 1955. These are his hidden shoulderboards.

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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 07/01/2008 04:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Don Bible:
Dave,
All Gestapo and Kripo Dienstausweise are very rare. These multiple cards to one person should never have existed as it was against Himmler's regulations for an officer to keep a no longer valid police ID card for the Kripo or Gestapo. They were supposed to be turned in to be destroyed.

I think the combination of the fact that Walter Sohst was a high ranking officer and that he had been in three different sections of the non-uniformed police (Gestapo) (Gestapo training instructor) and (State Kripo) and was in different locations made it possible for him to keep all three cards.

The cards were found hidden with his moth-eaten shoulder boards and two 1945 tram tickets, hidden in a false wall of what was probably his former office in the Skoda Werke headquarters building, when it was being remodled for a Prague City office building.

Sohst, having health problems and being a trained engineer, was transferred to the Skoda munitions operation, taking him out of Germany into the Protektorate.

Full color pictures and the story of this discovery can be found in the September/October issue of "THE ARMOURER", a British militaria collectors magazine. Back issues can be ordered at editor.armourer@btinternet.com



Hi Don,

Many thanks for the additional information and most intriguing story! What a fortunate and likely one-of-a-kind find! Are all of Sohst's effect shown now in your possession? Those shoulder straps are really something! Now I'll have to go order a back issue to read the full story since you got my interests peaked here! Nothing like these sort of story's to get the collecting blood flowing!
Posted By: Don Bible Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 07/01/2008 11:00 AM
This is all the Sohst material except the worker's handbook in which the pieces had been placed inside an envelope from an electrical company in Prag. I am posting the handbook.
There was an extensive file on Sohst in the Berlin Document Center, and recently declassified CIA files on him in the U.S. National archives. It is an interesting story of how he survived the war, prison and returned to Germany in 1955. I was fortunate to acquire the grouping and I did the research on him.

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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 07/06/2008 04:36 AM
Don, very interesting grouping! Perhaps we'll see more in a future publication?
Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 07/06/2008 04:46 AM
Below is a portion of a rather extensive paper/photo grouping attributed to Major d. Schutzpolizei Wilhelm Kleibaum. in the grouping, there are 5 photo albums with approximately 1,500 photos that closely follow his career. I was also fortunate enough to obtain his promotion and award documents, his medals w/cases, ribbon bars and his dog tag.

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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 07/30/2008 01:06 PM
New ID's in...

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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 07/30/2008 01:07 PM
Schutzpolizei Wilhelmshaven

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/28/2008 11:50 PM
Dave : Nice bunch of documents to one guy .
Can you please post the interior of the 'Reiter 'badge document , since I have never seen one . Thanks , Bernd .
Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 07:07 PM
Dave : Here one more reason to see the inside of the 'Reiter ' paper : I just got these 2 documents all the way from Australia , concerning a 'Hauptwachtmeister" Jakob Weber who also had the 'Reiterabzeichen in Bronze '.

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 07:09 PM
Page 3 .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 07:17 PM
Page 5: Shows him having the following awards :
Riderbadge III class in bronze.
Lifesaving DLRG.
Reichssportsbadge -5/1.30
SA Sportsbadge 26/3.37e

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 07:20 PM
Page 7 : Shows his party membership .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 07:25 PM
Page 8 : Shows his military service as with the Landespolizei Koeln as Oberwachtmeister for 2 1/2 years .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 07:27 PM
Page 9 : shows he entered the police service on 7.4.30 and his promotions are listed .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 07:30 PM
Page 10 : This section shows his training as a rider and taking care of the horses for 2 years!

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 07:44 PM
Page 12 : Here a more interesting part :His work in the "Kraftfahrstaffel for Verk.-Unfall Bereitschaft " for 2 1/2 years ; meaning traffic accident response cars .
AND his training , later stated on page 28 as 'Shooting Instructor-Training ',at the 'Pol. Waffenschule III- 7.Komp.-Den Haag "
By-the-way , the same school my Dad , Oblt . Heinz Ostermann , went for Pol. Company leader training !

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 07:56 PM
Page 13 : This shows him being sent to Serbia just after he finished this training : to the 10.Pol. Volunteer Rgt.3- Serbia .
--- And again the same happened to my Dad , after his training in Den Haag , he was sent to the Pol. Volunteer Battalion 8 - Croatia .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 08:04 PM
Page 15 : This verifies his relocation to SERBIA :'Bekaempfung der Bandenbe(we)gung im Suedraum in Serbien ' , meaning : 'Fight against the partisan- movement in southern Serbia .
Since there are NO other service time entries , one has to assume he did not make it back home !

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 08:12 PM
Page 16 : Shows some medical treatment .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 08:13 PM
Page 18 : Medical shots .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 08:18 PM
AND Page 19 : Award of the 8 years POLICE SERVICE MEDAL .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 08:20 PM
Now I also got his DIENSTAUSWEIS , BUT HIS PHOTO IS GONE !

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 08:22 PM
..and the inside with many signatures and cancels .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 08:24 PM
..and one close-up .

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Posted By: bernd Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/29/2008 08:28 PM
..and an other .
I hope hope you liked these documents to Polizei Hauptwachtmeister Jakob Weber ,--
I had never seen a pass that was so detailed.
Bernd .

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Posted By: Gendarmerie1 Re: Police ID's, Documents, Papers, etc. - 08/30/2008 04:44 PM
Bernd, that Weber grouping turned out to be a sweet deal. That's really to bad the picture is missing...I always like to see them but otherwise some interesting time in service.

I'll work on pulling that Reiter document to picture. It's stashed away somewhere!
Polizei Dienstpass,Polizel Dienstausweiss,and Police Union membership booket. Also he was awarded the Iron Cross 2nd class in Aug.1943 and Luftschutz-Ehrenzeichnen 2nd class in Jan.1944


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Description: His 2 awards
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A very nice grouping!
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