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Hello what is the verdict/opinion on F. Herder Rohm SA/SS daggers with the horizontal maker mark....? I thought the traditional thinking was/is that these blades were produced but never assembled....? They are NOT a listed maker of Rohms on this site or any other that I can find Rich Ab Herder is.....I remember that Tom Johnson used to sell loose F. Herder crossed keys SS blades I had a mint full Rohm SS F. Herder that Paul Hogle examined we couldnt fault the motto but considered the dagger to be unsellable and it was returned but the dagger looked great and period I have a friend who has just purchased a full SA F. Herder with crossed keys maker mark and F. Herder in line with inscription. These usually turn up on auctiion sites like invaluable etc. opinions welcome cheers and best Ryan S

Those transversal marked F. Herder Röhm SA blades are not 1933 made, but postwar production. Many are now found with attempts to age the blade, but their quality still look horrible.

In the case of the "normal", F. Herder mark, the blade is period, but with the Röhm inscription added postwar.

F. Herder never made Röhm SA daggers and you will never find a ground or partial Röhm by this maker, only these fake full Röhm's are popping up now and than, during the past decades.

Best regards,

Herman

Over the years I have seen several F. Herder full Röhm blades mounted in original daggers grips, Dave.

But, unlike for all the correctly identified makers of Röhm SA daggers, I still have not encountered a single ground nor partial Röhm SA-dagger, with whatever mark by F. Herder on its blade.
This is enough for me to conclude that they did not exist in 1933.

Best greetings,

Herman