Not sure if I posted this before but check it out...

https://germanrings.lv/de/28-political-and-civil

There are some very good [read dangerous!] copies there of some early patriotic rings! ,,some with good ageing, or made to appear ground dug would probably fool many especially beginners..

- Look around at the other subject areas... Places like this get their patterns right from forums like ours....... I'm not showing these copis for study... But only to be aware that they are out there. Best is always to study authentic rings............